[Skeeter]

Please don't post full lyrics to songs, everyone. Thanks.

[Iceman-bass14]

Originally Posted by polishdelta

i don't have an issue with underoath's stye or look, i have an album. but the song the impact of reason is marked expicit. same with kountry gentleman from family force 5. is it just a glitch in the itunes system? but if a non believer sees that underoath is a christian band and they have explicit music, they would think that christians are just a bunch of hypocrites and why would they want to be a christian?

If they were to see that and immediately pass christians off as hypocrites thats honestly their problem,not ours.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by rock_show_host

To me, this whole idea that such things "ruin our witness" seems largely like a myth perpetuated by conservative Christians who themselves are the only ones offended by it.

You can certainly ruin your witness, but you do it by being a jerk, sleeping around, objectifying women and having no moral standards. It doesn't come form saying one of the culturally defined no-no words.

[smhatahy]

Originally Posted by Skeeter

Please don't post full lyrics to songs, everyone. Thanks.

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that made me lol

[Big_al]

Originally Posted by rock_show_host

Also, honestly, I've met VERY few non-Christians who would even think twice about a Christian using profanity or writing "explicit" songs. To me, this whole idea that such things "ruin our witness" seems largely like a myth perpetuated by conservative Christians who themselves are the only ones offended by it.

[mYdEePeStDrEaM]

Neither FF5 or Underøath have explicit lyrics. iTunes messes up on stuff a lot. They have The Chariot listed under pop. Also, about Christians writing explicit lyrics. Almost all of us have cursed before, if a Christian curses in a song, it's no different that you cursing with your buddies. It's still wrong, but don't be shocked. And, to whoever mentioned Pedro the Lion, they are amazing

[Demon_Hunter]

Originally Posted by mYdEePeStDrEaM

Neither FF5 or Underøath have explicit lyrics. iTunes messes up on stuff a lot. They have The Chariot listed under pop. Also, about Christians writing explicit lyrics. Almost all of us have cursed before, if a Christian curses in a song, it's no different that you cursing with your buddies. It's still wrong, but don't be shocked. And, to whoever mentioned Pedro the Lion, they are amazing

This is probably cheap, but I just wanted to mention something (btw, did you repost this? I could have swore I read this last night.)

Last night I was on iTunes and looked up Luti-kriss (old Norma Jean). They have them listed under Rap/HipHop.

[rock_show_host]

Originally Posted by mYdEePeStDrEaM

Almost all of us have cursed before, if a Christian curses in a song, it's no different that you cursing with your buddies. It's still wrong, but don't be shocked.

And plenty of Christians, including myself, don't believe it's wrong at all.

[mYdEePeStDrEaM]

Originally Posted by Demon_Hunter

This is probably cheap, but I just wanted to mention something (btw, did you repost this? I could have swore I read this last night.)

Last night I was on iTunes and looked up Luti-kriss (old Norma Jean). They have them listed under Rap/HipHop.

No, I didn't repost it hahaha.

Exactly my point regarding Luti-Kriss. Apple can be pretty low sometimes as to not recognize stuff like this...

Originally Posted by rock_show_host

And plenty of Christians, including myself, don't believe it's wrong at all.

Exactly, I have mixed feelings about it. I don't curse because I have been taught all my life anot to, but I have some reasons to believe it's the same as other words, but that would lead into a totally different discussion.

[BillSPrestonEsq]

Originally Posted by Skeeter

Dude, 1337 is ancient lingo and net speak. Like, Counterstrike-ancient.

like, pre counterstrike.

Anyway. I like some Christians in bands who occasionally curse.

Paul used some harsh language, and I just learned that there is an ANE equivalent to an F-Bomb in the joseph narrative. Potiphar's wife uses it.

[rock_show_host]

Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq

Paul used some harsh language, and I just learned that there is an ANE equivalent to an F-Bomb in the joseph narrative. Potiphar's wife uses it.

And she's a wonderful Christian role model.

[BillSPrestonEsq]

Originally Posted by rock_show_host

Cause she's a wonderful Christian role model.

No, but it is evidence that God saw fit to use some harsh language in narrative.

[rock_show_host]

Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq

No, but it is evidence that God saw fit to use some harsh language in narrative.

Indeed. I just found the example a tiny bit ironic.

But that's interesting -- do you have a link to a source that talks about that word? I'm just curious.

[BillSPrestonEsq]

Originally Posted by rock_show_host

Indeed. I just found the example a tiny bit ironic.

But that's interesting -- do you have a link to a source that talks about that word? I'm just curious.

My Hebrew prof... (who is a well published author)

No source, he mentioned it in class, when we asked why we didn't know the word when we know the normal word for having sex with. It is imperative and an odd form that is apparently quite crass.

[Demon_Hunter]

Originally Posted by rock_show_host

Indeed. I just found the example a tiny bit ironic.

But that's interesting -- do you have a link to a source that talks about that word? I'm just curious.

Id be interested aswell.