[Role Modlin]

Originally Posted by Demon_Hunter

And besides, we did pretty good for ourselves before the 22nd amendment.

Other than that FDR guy.

[Gustin]

Originally Posted by jesus_for_me

power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.obama doesn't have the countries best interest in mind. he is a communist in every sense of the word. my family came here from cuba and became citizens. I was so sad for my grandmother the day that the votes were all counted. she came from the land where castro ruled. she told me herself "I know what communism smells like, and barak obama reeks of that horible stench" his speaches are much the same as the ones castro made pefore he had power.saying alot but not really saying anything was castro's nitch as well.

Is there be some sort of Godwin law for bringing up communism in a discussion about our new president? If there isn't already, I call dibs on naming it "Gustin's Law".

My family came from Cuba as well. My grandparents were in Cuba as Castro was rising to power and were lucky enough to escape (with very little) before he took complete control. They hate Castro and Communism and what it has done to their (former) country. I say that to say that they whole-heartedly support Obama and his proposed changes. Your story proves nothing, just as my story proves nothing. Obama is not communist.


I have to agree with Bryan... if a President continues to fill the criteria, and expectations of the people and is continually elected to the position, I don't re9ally see a problem... Maybe something like Jerry proposed, unlimited number of terms, but none (or only two) consecutive.

[mulletman]

Originally Posted by jesus_for_me

seeing as how the constitution meens nothing anymore I don't doubt anything. I mean we now have kenian making a speach tonight as his into to being the president of the USA. why not just make him permanent?

The constitution means quite a bit, actually. Also, you are aware that Barack Obama's place of birth is Honolulu, Hawaii, correct? That would be a state of the Union....

Originally Posted by jesus_for_me

now this I do agree with. I have no doubt's that he will be during his 1st 4 terms even if they don't pass the bill. there are too many radical constitutionalists who want to see this country live.but if the bill gets passed he will be alot sooner then we think. it is very sad but hate is a terible thing.

I would call myself a Constitutionalist before I'd call myself a Republican, or a Democrat. With that said, your above statement is offensive.

Originally Posted by jesus_for_me

power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.obama doesn't have the countries best interest in mind. he is a communist in every sense of the word. my family came here from cuba and became citizens. I was so sad for my grandmother the day that the votes were all counted. she came from the land where castro ruled. she told me herself "I know what communism smells like, and barak obama reeks of that horible stench" his speaches are much the same as the ones castro made pefore he had power.saying alot but not really saying anything was castro's nitch as well.

Saying a lot but saying nothing is the niche of every single politician in DC. Also, while I agree that Castro is not a good person, I disagree with your disparagement of "communism." Do you know which nations have the highest average standard of living in the world? Sweden and Norway. Both socialist. There is a massive difference between a dictatorship, and a socialist nation.

Originally Posted by jesus_for_me

if one then the other.a president who likes his congress will pass a bill that gives them no limit on their terms and a congress who likes their president will want to pass bills to make his terms limitless.

You are aware that congress currently does not have any limits on the number of terms they can serve, right? Other than that, I'd say that your statement there is an over-simplification.

[Hopeful]

I think it's a bad idea. Why mess with a good thing. That said, I believe most in Washington DC are out of touch with the common people anyway. One visit to the Senate dining room was enough for me.

[bravesfan007]

Originally Posted by Hopeful

I think it's a bad idea. Why mess with a good thing.

Because we are Americans and we can't keep our hands off things. We're always seeking to "improve" something.

[jesus_for_me]

Originally Posted by mulletman

The constitution means quite a bit, actually. Also, you are aware that Barack Obama's place of birth is Honolulu, Hawaii, correct? That would be a state of the Union....

eccept that no hospitals in hawaii have any records of his birth.you do know that he was born in kenia right?why do you think they wont allow his BC to be seen?because chances are that it has "naturalized" on it.

I would call myself a Constitutionalist before I'd call myself a Republican, or a Democrat. With that said, your above statement is offensive.

obama himself said he doesn't like the consstitution because it hand cofs the Gov.esp. the bill of rights. he wants to take away guns,raze taxes,make healthcare free for all(i.e. gov dependency). he fits the comy shoes perfectly. having familly from cuba I think I know alil more about what comunism looks like then you guys.why would't tido or that jamacan lady next to him in the video where he put those reporters in their places wont support him.

Saying a lot but saying nothing is the niche of every single politician in DC. Also, while I agree that Castro is not a good person, I disagree with your disparagement of "communism." Do you know which nations have the highest average standard of living in the world? Sweden and Norway. Both socialist. There is a massive difference between a dictatorship, and a socialist nation.

look at our nations history. socialism was tried and it failed. john smith warned against a repeat of the james town colony.

You are aware that congress currently does not have any limits on the number of terms they can serve, right? Other than that, I'd say that your statement there is an over-simplification.

I know that yes and my statement was just simple logic.

[Gustin]

Originally Posted by jesus_for_me

eccept that no hospitals in hawaii have any records of his birth.you do know that he was born in kenia right?why do you think they wont allow his BC to be seen?because chances are that it has "naturalized" on it.


obama himself said he doesn't like the consstitution because it hand cofs the Gov.esp. the bill of rights.

Can you cite any sort of reliable source for any of those statements?

he wants to take away guns,raze taxes,make healthcare free for all(i.e. gov dependency). he fits the comy shoes perfectly. having familly from cuba I think I know alil more about what comunism looks like then you guys.why would't tido or that jamacan lady next to him in the video where he put those reporters in their places wont support him.

STOP using your Cuban family to make your argument credible. All the members in my Cuban family (who were smart enough to recognize the evils of Castro and escape before it was too late) all support Obama. The fact that you are Cuban does not mean you have a better argument.

[Skeeter]

Originally Posted by jesus_for_me

look at our nations history. socialism was tried and it failed. john smith warned against a repeat of the james town colony.

You know what they say: if at first you don't succeed...

The rest of your arguments are pure conspiracy-theory baloney and deserve to be disregarded until you come up with some actual proof rather than a stack of logical fallacies.

[mulletman]

Originally Posted by jesus_for_me

eccept that no hospitals in hawaii have any records of his birth.you do know that he was born in kenia right?why do you think they wont allow his BC to be seen?because chances are that it has "naturalized" on it.

Source? Link? Anything?

Originally Posted by jesus_for_me

obama himself said he doesn't like the consstitution because it hand cofs the Gov.esp. the bill of rights. he wants to take away guns,raze taxes,make healthcare free for all(i.e. gov dependency). he fits the comy shoes perfectly. having familly from cuba I think I know alil more about what comunism looks like then you guys.why would't tido or that jamacan lady next to him in the video where he put those reporters in their places wont support him.

Source? Cuba is a terrible example of communism. See Sweden and socialism.

Originally Posted by jesus_for_me

look at our nations history. socialism was tried and it failed. john smith warned against a repeat of the james town colony.

And there have been capitalism-based governments that have failed as well. The only thing we can conclude here is that ALL systems of government are flawed.

Originally Posted by jesus_for_me

I know that yes and my statement was just simple logic.

Uh, if you know that, then your statement doesn't make any sense...

[Ridley's Own]

Originally Posted by jesus_for_me

eccept that no hospitals in hawaii have any records of his birth.

Hospitals don't keep birth certificates. State Registrars do. So yeah, they wouldn't have a record of his birth, because they dont' ahve his birth certicate.

you do know that he was born in kenia right?

He wasn't, as his birth certificate indicates. He was born in Hawaii, on the island of Oahu in the city of Honolulu. I'mnot sure what the problem is.

hy do you think they wont allow his BC to be seen?

They do.

because chances are that it has "naturalized" on it.

A little bit of reality is in order here. First, a birth certificate is held by the governmetn that issues it. You cannot stamp a Kenyan birth certificate with anything in the US, because the Kenyan birth certificate is in... Kenya.

Second, when someone becomes a US citizen, NOTHING is stamped that belongs to the new citizen, other than perhaps their US Passport that was given by virtue of being a Green Card holder. So, assuming you were right and Pres. Obama was, indeed, born in the US, and not a citizen at the time of his birth (He would still bea US citizen by virtue of his Mother's citizenship), then his BC is still irrelevant.

The Federal Court system has refused to listen to this specious reasoning. The Supreme Court has rejected your arguments. Give up. You've lost. You are wrong.

obama himself said he doesn't like the consstitution because it hand cofs the Gov.esp. the bill of rights.

Good, because that's the job of the Bill of Rights. A politician shouldn't like them.

he wants to take away guns

Cite it. Otherwise, stop lying.

,raze taxes,

No. He wants to lower taxes on the ajority of tax payers.

make healthcare free for all(i.e. gov dependency).

Good. PRay tell what's the difference btween being dependant on the gov't and being dependant on a corporation for healthcare?

he fits the comy shoes perfectly.

Really? Pres. Obama believes that all property is theft? Pres. Obama believes that the elimination of private property is the solution to the class struggle? Pres. Obama belives in a class struggle at all? And if these things aren't communism, then what do you think communism is?

look at our nations history. socialism was tried and it failed. john smith warned against a repeat of the james town colony.

I find it difficult to believe that socialism could exist 200 years before Marx was alive.

[slap_j]

Originally Posted by Ridley's Own

No. He wants to lower taxes on the ajority of tax payers.

Which is actually (sort of) closer to the word "raze." Ironic spelling error.

[Ordinary Sarah]

I just have to say.... if Obama was really a communist (or a king, for that matter), you would face a firing squad for saying so.

[jesus_for_me]

funny. I just looked at your whole sweeden argument. whats funny about that is that a young girls highest asperations there are to become a porn star or a prostitute.

also I find it very funny that that pic of the BC is help just far enough away and at the right angle so that we can't actually get a good idea of what is written on it. your family is very strange too my fellow cuban. most peoplefrom communist countries hate obama although I'm going to make a long shot here. I'm guessing your family is black. now I'm no racist( allen keys would have bin ok with me) but see that is the reason that most blacks voted for him. just because he is black.that is racism in and of itself.there are so many blacks that don't agree with him at all and yet they voted for him. some people didn't even know what he stood for and voted for him. I heard the funniest sound clip. I think it was the howerd stern show. they did a servey and place all of mccains positions(no stemcell research,keep up the war, and sarah palin as a running mate) on obama and asked people if that was why they licked him.a few of them loved the fact that obama had sarah palin as his running mate.lol.these are the kind of people voting.

to you Ms. sarah I sey yes. I would face a firing spuad before letting him have his way with my home land and everything that my hero's bled and died for.I'll stand like tido(another true patriot) and tell every1 exactly what they have elected.corse he'll show them soon enough.

also as for the tax issue. he wants to raze taxes on money making buisneses and what will that do. well lets think about it. a guy who owns a store doesn't want to take a pay cut even though his taxes are being up'd, so what does he do? he razes the price of his merchandise and lets go of his loose ends. thus making life harder for those poor people who needed those jobs.

[bravesfan007]

jesus_for_me: No matter how much I may agree or disagree with you, I can hardly stand to read your posts. Between your spelling and grammar errors I can barely see where you're going. I don't want to sound harsh, but one key point if you're going to argue your position (besides basing it on facts that are cited) is how well you communicate it.

Again, I'm not trying to be a jerk. I'm just stating I find your posts really hard to read.

[Gustin]

Originally Posted by jesus_for_me

funny. I just looked at your whole sweeden argument. whats funny about that is that a young girls highest asperations there are to become a porn star or a prostitute.

Where on earth are you getting that information from???

your family is very strange too my fellow cuban. most peoplefrom communist countries hate obama although I'm going to make a long shot here. I'm guessing your family is black.

I assure you (as will the number of people I have met on this site) I am not black.

It's also interesting how Obama clearly won Miami and the surrounding areas (tell me that there are no Cubans there... particularly those who don't know what Castro's communism is like)... http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/res...vidual/#mapPFL

Guess there are a large number of black Cubans in Miami then...

Seriously, get some credible information or get out of the thread. Your responses have been unfounded, unresearched, borderline racist, and offensive. I will be the first to admit the Obama is not some sort of demi-god like many have made him out to be. He is human. He is flawed. That doesn't mean he won't do a good job.

I'd gladly debate points of his administration if you could provide some sort of credible evidence for any of your claims, but until then, you're just a troll.