01-13-2009, 01:25 PM
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#1 | | High Five!
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| Un poco de practicar Estoy haciendo esta tema para las personas que quieren practicar tiempos, verbos, vocabulario, etc. Podemos correctar los problemas los que vemos o commentar en los usos. Es qué quieran  .
Voy a empezar.
Estoy practicando y aprendiendo los tiempos "preterite" y "imperfect."
Para -ar verbs Preterite
Yo -é
Tú -aste
Ud., él, ella -ó
Nosotros -amos
Vosotros -asteis
Ellos, ellas, Uds. -aron
Algunas prácticas:
¿Cuándo caminó por el parque? (When did you walk through the park?)
Yo traté mirar la película, pero no tengo el dinero. (I tried to watch the movie, but I don´t have money.)
Tú necesitaste ir a la iglesia ayer. (You needed to go to church yesterday. Not sure about this one.)
Nosotros hablamos de los montes porque son hermosos. (We talked about the mountains because they are beautiful.)
Vosotros nadasteis en el Rio Grande. (You all swam in the Rio Grande.)
Ustedes necesitaron una casa para el tiempo malo en las Himalayas. (You all needed a house for the bad weather in the Himalayas. Not sure about this one either.)
Más viene... |
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01-13-2009, 01:37 PM
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#2 | | High Five!
Joined: Nov 2005 Location: Here Posts: 9,608
| Ahora para los verbos -er e -ir:
Yo -í
Tú -iste
Ud., él, ella -ió
Nosotros -imos
Vosotros -isteis
Ellos, ellas, Uds. -ieron
Algunos ejemplos de mis prácticas:
Yo aprendí la lección ayer; no la necesito aprender otra vez. (I learned the lesson yesterday; I don´t need to learn it again.)
¿Queriste recibir un gato para la Navidad tú? (Did you want to receive a cat for Christmas?)
Él comió toda la comida en la casa. (He ate all the food in the house.)
Nosotros vivimos con todo tenemos. (We lived with all we had.)
Vosotros leisteis los libros rapidamente. (You all read the books quickly.)
Ellos querieron paz para el mundo. (They wanted world peace.)
Otra vez, no soy maestro de español. No sé si todas mis oraciones están correctas o no. Son para practicar sólamente. |
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01-13-2009, 01:49 PM
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#3 | | Puts the sexy in dyslexia | Quote:
Originally Posted by DaGeek Estoy haciendo este tema para las personas que quieren practicar tiempos, verbos, vocabulario, etc. Podemos corregir los problemas los que vemos o commentar en los usos. Es lo qué quieran  . | Qué genial! Quote: |
Yo traté mirar la película, pero no tengo el dinero. (I tried to watch the movie, but I don´t have money.)
| Traté de mirar la película. Quote: |
Tú necesitaste ir a la iglesia ayer. (You needed to go to church yesterday. Not sure about this one.)
| Hmm. "Necesitar" implica algo de necesidad, no de obligación. "Tener que" o "deber" sirve mejor en este caso. Quote: |
Ustedes necesitaron una casa para el tiempo malo en las Himalayas. (You all needed a house for the bad weather in the Himalayas. Not sure about this one either.)
| Esta frase debe estar escrita en el imperfecto. "Uds. necesitaban una casa por el mal tiempo en las Himalayas." |
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01-13-2009, 01:51 PM
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#4 | | High Five!
Joined: Nov 2005 Location: Here Posts: 9,608
| Ahora puedo practicar el tiempo imperfecto. Los tiempos son extraños.
-AR
Yo -aba
Tú -abas
Ud., él, ella -aba
Nosotros -ábamos
Vosotros -abais
Ellos, ellas, Uds. -aban
Antes de comenzar, la primera cosa que es extraña es que las conjugaciones de Yo y Usted son las mismas. Similarmente, con el Preterite, las formas de Nosotros son las mismas. ¿No está confundindo?
Continuando...
Ejemplos:
Yo jugaba fútbol en colegio. (I used to play soccer in high school.)
Tú necesitabas una novia para vivir. (You used to need a girlfriend in order to live.)
Usted almorzaba a las tres de la tarde. (You used to eat lunch at three in the afteroon.)
Nosotros hablábamos de las cosas importantes en nuestros grupos de la iglesia. (We used to speak of the important things in our church groups.)
Vosotros me dabais ropas cuando las necesité (You all used to give me clothes when I needed them. Not sure of this one.)
Ellos pensaban que el mundo no tiene un final. (They used to think that the world doesn´t have an end.)
No estoy seguro que estos están correctas, pero es práctica. |
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01-13-2009, 01:54 PM
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#5 | | High Five!
Joined: Nov 2005 Location: Here Posts: 9,608
| Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Worm Qué genial!
Traté de mirar la película.
Hmm. "Necesitar" implica algo de necesidad, no de obligación. "Tener que" o "deber" sirve mejor en este caso.
Esta frase debe estar escrita en el imperfecto. "Uds. necesitaban una casa por el mal tiempo en las Himalayas." | ¿¿Mi subjuntivo es correcto?? ("Es qué quieran.")
¡Woo!
Gracias por las correciones. ¿Por qué es "Traté de mirar"? |
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01-13-2009, 02:01 PM
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#6 | | High Five!
Joined: Nov 2005 Location: Here Posts: 9,608
| Y por último por ahora...
-ER e -IR verbos imperfectos
Yo -ía
Tú -ías
Ud., él, ella -ía
Nosotros -íamos
Vosotros -íais
Ellos, ellas, Uds. -ían
Algunas prácticas:
Yo aprendía unas cosas importantes por la escuela. (I used to learn some important things through school.)
Tú leías los libros interasantes, pero ahora solamente lees libros aburridos. (You used to read interesting books, but now you only read boring books.)
Él creía que gatos son de Dios. (He used to believe that cats are of God.)
Nosotros teníamos mucha comida, pero ahora somos pobre. (We used to have a lot of food, but now we are poor.)
Vosotros veíais la luna por la noche. (You all used to see the moon at night.)
Ustedes decían que mi amigo Roger es un animal. (You all used to say that my friend Roger is an animal.) |
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01-13-2009, 02:04 PM
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#7 | | Puts the sexy in dyslexia | Quote:
Originally Posted by DaGeek Ahora para los verbos -er e -ir:
Yo -í
Tú -iste
Ud., él, ella -ió
Nosotros -imos
Vosotros -isteis
Ellos, ellas, Uds. -ieron
Algunos ejemplos de mis prácticas:
Yo aprendí la lección ayer; no la necesito aprender otra vez. (I learned the lesson yesterday; I don´t need to learn it again.)
¿Queriste recibir un gato para la Navidad tú? (Did you want to receive a cat for Christmas?)
Él comió toda la comida en la casa. (He ate all the food in the house.)
Nosotros vivimos con todo tenemos. (We lived with all we had.)
Vosotros leisteis los libros rapidamente. (You all read the books quickly.)
Ellos querieron paz para el mundo. (They wanted world peace.)
Otra vez, no soy maestro de español. No sé si todas mis oraciones están correctas o no. Son para practicar sólamente. | "Querer" es un verbo irregular en el preterito, y se conjuga en la siguiente manera:
yo quise
tu quisiste
él quiso
nosotros quisimos
vosotros quisisteis
Uds. quisieron
To complicate matters further, it changes its meaning in the preterite when followed by a verb, meaning "to try/make an attempt to do something" in the affirmative, and "to refuse" in the negative. Por ejemplo,
Quise nadar a través del oceano, pero no pude. (I tried to swim across the ocean, but I couldn´t do it.)
Mis amigos me invitaron a ir de copas anoche, pero no quise ir con ellos. (My friends invited me to go out for some drinks last night, but I declined/refused/said no.
When you think about it, "wanting" is rarely a one time specific action, and will more commonly go in the imperfect. Your second sentence, then, should be:
Querías (recibir) un gato por la navidad?
And your last sentence should be:
Querían paz mundial. |
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01-13-2009, 02:09 PM
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#8 | | Puts the sexy in dyslexia | Quote:
Originally Posted by DaGeek ¿¿Mi subjuntivo es correcto?? ("Es qué quieran.")
¡Woo!
Gracias por las correciones. ¿Por qué es "Traté de mirar"? | Very close on the subjunctive! I assume you´re trying to say "whatever you want", and it should be "Lo que quieran."
And "tratar" always goes with "de" when it means "to try". Always always always. "intentar" also means to try, and this does not take a preposition. But tratar always goes with de for "to try". |
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01-13-2009, 02:14 PM
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#9 | | High Five!
Joined: Nov 2005 Location: Here Posts: 9,608
| Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Worm "Querer" es un verbo irregular en el preterito, y se conjuga en la siguiente manera:
yo quise
tu quisiste
él quiso
nosotros quisimos
vosotros quisisteis
Uds. quisieron
To complicate matters further, it changes its meaning in the preterite when followed by a verb, meaning "to try/make an attempt to do something" in the affirmative, and "to refuse" in the negative. Por ejemplo,
Quise nadar a través del oceano, pero no pude. (I tried to swim across the ocean, but I couldn´t do it.)
Mis amigos me invitaron a ir de copas anoche, pero no quise ir con ellos. (My friends invited me to go out for some drinks last night, but I declined/refused/said no.
When you think about it, "wanting" is rarely a one time specific action, and will more commonly go in the imperfect. Your second sentence, then, should be:
Querías (recibir) un gato por la navidad?
And your last sentence should be:
Querían paz mundial. | Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Worm Very close on the subjunctive! I assume you´re trying to say "whatever you want", and it should be "Lo que quieran."
And "tratar" always goes with "de" when it means "to try". Always always always. "intentar" also means to try, and this does not take a preposition. But tratar always goes with de for "to try". | Man, I keep realizing how much I just don't have a clue about  . Your wealth of knowledge is enviable! I'm glad this thread exists, then, because I'm already learning much new stuff. I wonder why the Spanish have to make so many annoying irregular verbs.
Yeah, the intent was "It's whatever you want," so that should be "es lo qué quieran," I think? Is the "es" necessary at all?
Is there a big usage difference between tratar and intentar? |
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01-13-2009, 02:23 PM
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#10 | | Puts the sexy in dyslexia | Quote:
Originally Posted by DaGeek Man, I keep realizing how much I just don't have a clue about  . Your wealth of knowledge is enviable! I'm glad this thread exists, then, because I'm already learning much new stuff. I wonder why the Spanish have to make so many annoying irregular verbs. | Just be thankful you learned English as your first language. Quote: |
Yeah, the intent was "It's whatever you want," so that should be "es lo qué quieran," I think? Is the "es" necessary at all?
| There should not be an accent over the "que", and it sounds more natural without the "es", although it isn't necessarily incorrect to use it. Quote: |
Is there a big usage difference between tratar and intentar?
| In terms of how often they are used? Not really. The biggest difference is that "tratar" (without the "de") can mean about 5 other things in other contexts, whereas "intentar" has a pretty narrow definition and really never means anything other than "to try" or "to attempt". |
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01-13-2009, 02:30 PM
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#11 | | High Five!
Joined: Nov 2005 Location: Here Posts: 9,608
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Originally Posted by Dr. Worm Just be thankful you learned English as your first language.
There should not be an accent over the "que", and it sounds more natural without the "es", although it isn't necessarily incorrect to use it.
In terms of how often they are used? Not really. The biggest difference is that "tratar" (without the "de") can mean about 5 other things in other contexts, whereas "intentar" has a pretty narrow definition and really never means anything other than "to try" or "to attempt". | Haha, I am every time I think of the poor people who have to learn our retarded language  .
That makes much more sense, and it also makes me realize immersion is so necessary to learn the idiomatic stuff, because Spanish is definitely NOT a word-for-word translation.
I think that, through the Army, I will have free access to Rosetta Stone. Will that help me? |
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01-13-2009, 02:36 PM
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#12 | | Puts the sexy in dyslexia | Quote:
Originally Posted by DaGeek Haha, I am every time I think of the poor people who have to learn our retarded language  .
That makes much more sense, and it also makes me realize immersion is so necessary to learn the idiomatic stuff, because Spanish is definitely NOT a word-for-word translation.
I think that, through the Army, I will have free access to Rosetta Stone. Will that help me? | Eh, Rosetta Stone is not necessarily the best way to learn a language (though I am admittedly a little bit biased here), and it certainly doesn't replace immersion, but yeah, it will definitely help. |
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