[The Phantom Mullet]

Firstly, no theory of evolution I'm familiar with states that some sort of outside genetic trait must be introduced into the offspring. Secondly, have you ever heard of a 'genetic mutation?'

[Akshay]

Originally Posted by jesus_for_me

ok. according to genetics. only traits that already exist in an organisms genome can be passed on to offspring.if an organisms gene's are a's and b's then all that there offspring will have will be a's and b's.evolutions sates that a Q can somehow enter the sequence.according to genetics this is imposible.

Okay let say for a moment that you are right. How do humans have such genetic mutation if they all descended from Adam and Eve. If there are only two possibilities for every gene then humans shouldn't have the wide diversity of skin color, height, eye color, hair color, etc. The reason there is such diversity in our phenotypes (our external appearance) is due to genetic mutations within our DNA. This is true whether you believe in Evolution or not. Now what evolution says is that the buildup of the genetic mutations can cause speciation. So as i said earlier Genetics doesn't disagree with Evolution, it is absolutely necessary for evolution.

[JerryLove]

See? That's why I don't answer broad questions... because they won't even stay to defend narrow ones.

[jesus_for_me]

Originally Posted by mulletman

Firstly, no theory of evolution I'm familiar with states that some sort of outside genetic trait must be introduced into the offspring. Secondly, have you ever heard of a 'genetic mutation?'

yes. it is almost always a bad thing and doesn't happen via random processes the way it is thought to be in the unconfermed hypothesis of evolution.it can always be explaned through true scientific processes and genetics.like drug resistant bacteria.they don't have anything new but rather they lost what was needed to control the amount of Penecilanace the produce. kinda like a human on PCP.

Originally Posted by Akshay

Okay let say for a moment that you are right. How do humans have such genetic mutation if they all descended from Adam and Eve. If there are only two possibilities for every gene then humans shouldn't have the wide diversity of skin color, height, eye color, hair color, etc.

ummm. all humans are the exact same color. melenin.there are only different shades of it and it is a recesive trait to have a small amount of it (i.e. white skin).please don't try to argue genetics unless you trully know what you are talking about.

The reason there is such diversity in our phenotypes (our external appearance) is due to genetic mutations within our DNA. This is true whether you believe in Evolution or not. Now what evolution says is that the buildup of the genetic mutations can cause speciation.

not mutation but rather addaptation.notice that darker people live in sunnier parts of the world where their dark skin helps protect them from the sun.see because of mutualistic relationships the idea of evolution is highly unlikely.two organisms would have had to evolve at the exact same time for them to have the relationship they have today. also their are certain things that wouldn't survive the transition.also we have no examples of any transitional forms to prove this speciation. all that has bin done is lots of guessing. they don't know that mutation can cause speciation. it has never bin proven but however most of nature suggests that it didn't and can't do the the facts I just stated.

So as i said earlier Genetics doesn't disagree with Evolution, it is absolutely necessary for evolution.

ok what you said here makes no sense. please tell me sir. how can a Q gene enter the genotype sequence that I presented?unless you can explain the "mutation" through actual scientific processes, we can judge out that evolution is as much (if not more so) guessology as creation is.

[jesus_for_me]

Originally Posted by ICTHUS

jesus_for_me, you are dishonest and ought to be ashamed of yourself. Try a little thing called intellectual honesty. A five second search on youtube yielded a concise refutation of the "ZOMG DAWKINS WUZ STUMPED" video-edit done at the hands of dishonest Christians like you.

Richard Dawkins was not 'stumped' by that question. He paused for eleven seconds because he was angry that a creationist had managed to obtain an interview with him - and he realized it at that second - and he was trying to collect his thoughts and think of a cohesive way to answer.

if you really watch the eledged "proof" of that video's falshood you can see that it's the exact same situation.your vid doesn't prove anything.

He gives an answer to the interviewer, in fact, http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=RMoQf5...eature=related

this is sad. this video is just a fan of his trying to defend him. just watching the video itself we see that he is just angered by the fact that he had no answer to the question. know why? cuzz there is non.his answer to it doesn't really address the issue.why he asked them to stop the camera is because he took a longer pause to think up something then he wants people to know. in the words of david berlinski dawkins isn't a real scientist and he is a terrible philosopher and somewhat reptilian.how funny that the bible tell us of those who proclaim themselves as wise becoming fools. dawkins really thinks he is the best their is and yet he is one of( if not the most) un inforemd evolutionists there is. he doesn't threaten berlinski and he doesn't threaten me.

Also. Richard Dawkins is a scientist. Where the hell are you getting your information, dude?

from the scientific method. dawkins works outside of it. real scientists study and teach science, not sci-fi. according to dawkins we will soon be the X-Men.

[Skeeter]

This thread is getting absurd and no longer belongs in the Science forum (if it ever truly did). Fortunately, since we no longer have an Apologetics forum, I can simply close this thread.

Jesus_for_me, as someone who used to hold very similar views to your own, I strongly encourage you to read books written by actual evolutionists rather than simply assuming what they believe and how they came to those beliefs.

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