Torrents

***BillSPrestonEsq*** · 10-13-2008, 10:27 AM

the punishment does not fit the crime. And before someone comes in telling me how much it costs to catch p2p sharers, I could get you 300 by lunch with all their ISP's by law required to give me the name if I was the cops.

Its ridiculously easy. since it is peer to peer, the very results to a search are often even in the program listed as your home ip. A simple whois search will usually lead to your ISP who can be suppoened for your name and internet activity. Game over.

So even if you have a legal reason to have the file, I sure wouldn't want to get caught in that.

Now if you were say, downloading torrents of linux... different matter. Who cares if they see you? its not a copyrighted product forbidden to be distributed in that manner.

**Gustin** · 10-13-2008, 10:40 AM

Making you buy the song and pay a small fine doesn't make sense though either. You're only gonna get sued if you're distributing copyrighted material. So, they can punish you for theoretical songs they would have sold but now can't due to your distributing the material (whether they actually would have sold it or not). I'm not saying the punishment is right, but it's definitely worth far more than a small fine and the cost of the song.

hapa_angel · 10-13-2008, 10:48 PM

Mod Note:

Discussing why something is illegal is allowed. Going on about how you've done aforementioned illegal activity is not. Keep this in mind when posting, folks.

**scared2mosh** · 10-14-2008, 10:21 PM

so I'm still confused about why it's legal to make a copy of a movie you own, but they made it illegal to break the encryption so that you can make said legal copy.

also my bro (TomWaits) wanted me to inform you that he was sorry if he broke any rules, and that he doesnt torrent (but he gets music from friends who do so it's kind of the same thing anyway)

***BillSPrestonEsq*** · 10-14-2008, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by scared2mosh

so I'm still confused about why it's legal to make a copy of a movie you own, but they made it illegal to break the encryption so that you can make said legal copy.

And is that a violation of fair use anyway by the companies which distribute it? There actually is some contradiction in the laws on making yourself a backup copy of an item that does THE EXACT same thing. That is a question that has not really been satisfactorily answered under the law. When does DRM and such violate the legal rights of the consumer?

Playing a movie you own on DVD on an ipod is not the exact same. Playing a copy of a movie you own on dvd on a dvd player from a burned DVD is legal under the fair use clause, from what I have read in the past.

I will say that I routinely break encryption on some software through various means to make backups for fair use, because I only use my original cds and dvd's once for making said copy. I use them as a master. Makes me wish I kept said policy for AOE 3...

But the thing is this. No company is going to go after you for quietly breaking their encryption to legally use their product and not illegaly share. I do not share. Now, I might loan a friend media for say Office 2007 if he bought a license with valid key and activation code, with a no-media copy. (available routinely for sale to students) Microsoft assumes that is being done and under the law, THAT, is legal, or at least permissible to the point of nobody cares. (and I did just that last week, but I asked to see his license first, to make sure we were both engaging in legal behaviors.)

Andrew · 10-14-2008, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by scared2mosh

so I'm still confused about why it's legal to make a copy of a movie you own, but they made it illegal to break the encryption so that you can make said legal copy.

also my bro (TomWaits) wanted me to inform you that he was sorry if he broke any rules, and that he doesnt torrent (but he gets music from friends who do so it's kind of the same thing anyway)

Yeah, he does torrent. (the utorrent icon gave him away. )

hapa_angel · 10-15-2008, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by scared2mosh

also my bro (TomWaits) wanted me to inform you that he was sorry if he broke any rules, and that he doesnt torrent (but he gets music from friends who do so it's kind of the same thing anyway)

I'd liken the situation of your brother's to that of your friend robbing a bank and loaning you twenty bucks from the stash he got. You may not have been an accomplice of his activities, but not only have you benefited from it, you are now in possession of stolen goods. It is no less illegal, regardless of how likely you are to be caught.

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Originally Posted by Andrew

Yeah, he does torrent. (the utorrent icon gave him away. )

That too.

**scared2mosh** · 10-15-2008, 10:39 AM

I totally agree, and I'm in the process of buying the cd's we got from freinds that are worth buying, and deleting the rest. when I got the music from friends I thought it was legal otherwise I wouldnt have done it in the first place.

as to having utoorent I didnt know he even had that... I think it's time I talk to him and force him to delete any pirated music we have.

**Gustin** · 10-15-2008, 03:43 PM

It's been stated before, but I feel the need to add emphasis.

Torrents in and of themselves are not illegal. It's what is being distributed with those torrents that becomes a problem. Using torrent software is a very efficient way of transmitting data to large numbers of people. Using it, for example, to distribute the latest Linux distro is perfectly legal (due to the licensing of Linux). Using it to transmit Adobe Photoshop (and music/art/literature not released in Public domain or certain Creative Commons licenses), not so much.

Tom Waits · 10-15-2008, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew

Yeah, he does torrent. (the utorrent icon gave him away. )

i had it for a few cds that were ruined...it was suggested to me by a friend

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Originally Posted by Crstngtrplyr77

It's been stated before, but I feel the need to add emphasis.

Torrents in and of themselves are not illegal. It's what is being distributed with those torrents that becomes a problem. Using torrent software is a very efficient way of transmitting data to large numbers of people. Using it, for example, to distribute the latest Linux distro is perfectly legal (due to the licensing of Linux). Using it to transmit Adobe Photoshop (and music/art/literature not released in Public domain or certain Creative Commons licenses), not so much.

this

plus, dwnloading any program is the most foolish thing that you can do. they tend to connect to the internet and tell the liscense holder that its been pirated

as i said through daniel, i didnt mean to get myself into any trouble by mentioning it, and im working on deleting a good portion from the music that i got from everyone

i regret that i ever posted about it though. i thought that you were still in the process of deciding whether its legal or not (especially since its still an extremely grey area, i dont care what everyone here says)

thank you all for your forbearance

**akaukal** · 10-15-2008, 09:16 PM

How is it a grey area? I think it's pretty clear that violating copyright laws by sharing copyrighted material is illegal.

**scared2mosh** · 10-15-2008, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by akaukal

How is it a grey area? I think it's pretty clear that violating copyright laws by sharing copyrighted material is illegal.

QFT

I never really thought about whether it was really legal until a few days before this thread. since then I've been feeling rather strong convictions that what I am doing is wrong so I'm not going to put cd's on my iPod when I borrow them from friends from now on. (I'm still going to borrow them to see if they are worth buying) and I have deleted about 2 gigs of music, and I have probably 2 more gigs to delete. then I have about 3 gigs worth of music that I plan on buying. (about 15-20 cd's so at $6 per cd it might be awhile before I get some of my music back...)

tht00 · 10-15-2008, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by akaukal

How is it a grey area? I think it's pretty clear that violating copyright laws by sharing copyrighted material is illegal.

If you'd read through the thread, Bill already pointed out a few examples -- such as:
http://www.christianguitar.org/forum...2&postcount=17

**bravesfan007** · 10-16-2008, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tht00

If you'd read through the thread, Bill already pointed out a few examples -- such as:
http://www.christianguitar.org/forum...2&postcount=17

Don't forget about television shows that have the commercials and are not rips of DVDs. Those could also be a gray area.

normajean777 · 10-16-2008, 04:30 PM

Not illegal in Canada... ..