McCain ineligible to be president?

Ax · 10-08-2008, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq

All foreign policies will breed terrorists. Intervening promotes a hatred by one side, yet intervening is sometimes necessary. In Afghanistan, the soviet war machine being stopped was important to breaking the Soviet Empire.

The US has always supported terrorists who serve our purposes. How about the French Underground in WW2?

In the case of Bin Ladin, it backfired to an extent.

If you have an entire region of the earth pissed at you, you've probably done something wrong. And it's stupid to think "it's okay" because we pay for them bombing us when we buy their oil.

**slap_j** · 10-08-2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq

The US has always supported terrorists who serve our purposes. How about the French Underground in WW2?

(Or Operation Ajax)

This is why the War on Terror is a sham. We're not about to invade ourselves, are we? Posse Comitatus and all that. O nevermind...forgot about H.R. 5122.

***BillSPrestonEsq*** · 10-08-2008, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AX

If you have an entire region of the earth pissed at you, you've probably done something wrong. And it's stupid to think "it's okay" because we pay for them bombing us when we buy their oil.

Every president has entire regions of the earth pissed off at them. Lets see, Bush would be unfair to use as an example, most of the world?. But FDR got Japan, and part of Europe. JFK had Cuba, and the soviets pretty torqued, I could go on. Clinton had Hussein mocking us, as well as parts of Africa and the mideast torqued.

Its part of the job.

**Role Modlin** · 10-08-2008, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AX

If you have an entire region of the earth pissed at you, you've probably done something wrong. And it's stupid to think "it's okay" because we pay for them bombing us when we buy their oil.

A good chunk of the Middle East has been pissed at us for over 50 years.

Ax · 10-08-2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Leboman

A good chunk of the Middle East has been pissed at us for over 50 years.

And we've not done anything to mend it all the while buying their oil so they can use the money to bomb us.

**Role Modlin** · 10-08-2008, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AX

And we've not done anything to mend it all the while buying their oil so they can use the money to bomb us.

As long as this country mindlessly supports Israel on every single issue...they will continue to hate us. Even if we manage to do away with our need for foreign oil (yeah right)...we will continue to piss off the entire Muslim world for siding with Israel.

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We're getting way off topic. I am stopping now.

everyman · 10-09-2008, 02:19 PM

Yes, we're way off topic.

Anyway, here are a couple of the issues regarding John McCain's eligibility under the 14th amendment:

1. Does being granted citizenship by law (i.e. the 1937 legislation) have the same effect as being a natural-born citizen?

2. What is the legal definition of "natural-born citizen?" (I understand that the courts have never ruled on this.)

The federal courts would have the final word on these questions, and it is unlikely that they will take them up.

I see all of this as an exercise in legalism. Intuitively, it doesn't seem right to me for McCain to be disqualified from seeking the presidency on the basis of a technicality.

One thing I'm reasonably sure of is that this will probably be the last time a person born in the Panama Canal Zone prior to 1937 will be a presidential candidate.

grand_master_d · 10-11-2008, 01:14 PM

Doesn't this really just beg the question: Why is this an issue now?!?!

John McCain has been campaigning for well over a year. He ran for president in 2000 as well. Also, although "natural citizenship" is not a qualification for the senate, he's been a senator for over 20 years. If John McCain wasn't a naturalized citizen, we'd know. This is election year BS, just like Barack Obama's "birth certificate."

Besides, the Senate already approved a resolution declaring John McCain eligible for president. Case closed.

normajean777 · 10-12-2008, 03:53 AM

The case was closed for a long time. . .and the thread should be locked.

ICTHUS · 10-12-2008, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq

Why? I actually kind of like having the governator! (It would require a constitutional change, but if it were made, why not?)

The...Prez..inator?

everyman · 10-13-2008, 02:15 PM

This thread was initiated by a Moderator, and it's a fair question.

Snopes.com has a good write-up on the whole McCain-citizenship issue:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/mccain/citizen.asp

The upshot is that it's a legal issue, and the law is fuzzy. By the way, that Senate resolution passed earlier this year is non-binding, meaning that it does not have the force and effect of law.

Bryan · 10-13-2008, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by everyman

This thread was initiated by a Moderator, and it's a fair question.

it's not a fair question. It's a ridiculous question created by a Obama leaning law professor to try and get McCain off the ballot based on a fabricated technicality.

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The upshot is that it's a legal issue, and the law is fuzzy. By the way, that Senate resolution passed earlier this year is non-binding, meaning that it does not have the force and effect of law.

it's not a legal issue, there isn't a serious respected expert in law that would suggest otherwise. the bottom line is, both McCain's parents were citizens when he was born, therefore, he is a natural born citizen. case closed.

can we close this thread?