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Unread 11-24-2002, 02:46 PM   #46
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I use to listen to some of there stuff but several years back I tossed 99.9 percent of all of my secular stuff into the dumpster.

Anyway he's an average player and basically just applies scales. I started playing last Christmas and over the last year I have discovered that many metal bands are not playing anything all that difficult. After I bought my RP-200 and started using that the less impressed I am by many players today.

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Unread 11-24-2002, 05:28 PM   #47
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Unread 11-24-2002, 05:34 PM   #48
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James Hetfield writes those guitar parts that Kirk plays btw...
He used to. The last few albums Kirk and Jason were given a lot of freedom as to what they were going to play. Hetfield still writes some of the stuff Kirk plays, but Kirk does have freedome now.
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Unread 11-24-2002, 09:06 PM   #49
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This pretty funny, especialy in this case. Where was this thread originally?
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Unread 11-25-2002, 01:05 AM   #50
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This pretty funny, especialy in this case. Where was this thread originally?
It was in the guitar forum, I think.
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Just a little clarification......

James does NOT wrote Kirk's solos. James couldnt really write a decent solo to save his life. During the very first years, when Kirk first came on board, James told him to keep the same intros to the solos that Dave made, but other than the intro, make it up yourself. After Kill 'Em All, all the work is Kirk.
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Re: Just a little clarification......

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James does NOT wrote Kirk's solos. James couldnt really write a decent solo to save his life. During the very first years, when Kirk first came on board, James told him to keep the same intros to the solos that Dave made, but other than the intro, make it up yourself. After Kill 'Em All, all the work is Kirk.
I have an interview with Kurt where he says pretty much exactly what you just said. Well except the part about James not able to write a good solo. He wrote and played the solo for "Nothing Else Matters." Thats a good one no matter what you say.

I think Metallica's stuff from the 80's is excellent. Pretty much the best of that genre. Then they did the "Black Album." Its good for what it is and a very important album, but it was clearly written for radio play. I can't even say I like Load or Re-Load. The singles are good compared to other radio songs, but the rest aren't very good. I'm still interested in the new stuff though.

Kurt is one of those guitar players I idolized when I first picked up the guitar. I wished that I could play any of his solos. Now that I probably could play the solos, I have no desire to learn them at all. Most of his solos kind of blend together. Nothing real distinct about them. There are of course several stand outs, but a lot of them really don't have an distinction.
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Unread 11-25-2002, 05:37 PM   #53
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Metallica is my favorite band.

1. James Hetfield is a great songwriter. He covers everything from thrash early on to hard rock, even to country (Mama Said).

2. Kirk Hammett can write some pretty cool solos. He isn't a class A guitarist (like Vai, Becker, Satriani, etc.) but he is the best for Metallica.

3. Lars hold the band togeather rhythmically and in the business meetings. Not the best drummer, but very influential.

4. Cliff - what can I say?

5. Jason was the guy who made me want to be a good bassist.
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James is by far the superior guitarist, listen to his solos on songs like Nothing Else Matters, To Live Is To Die, and Master of Puppets. All Kirk does is stay in his retarded little one-dimensional pentatonic minor 'safe box'.

Neither James nor Kirk is a 'great' guitarist, don't get me wrong, they are both excellent, but all Kirk does is get the job done, nothing more.

If you want some good 'metal' guitarists, check out:
Marty Friedman
Chuck Schuldiner
John Petrucci
Jesper Stromblad
Mikael Åkerfeldt
Jeff Loomis

And, I will save the MASTER guitarist of best guitarist EVER for last:
Brad Delson

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Originally posted by nga_puhi_guy
Any time Kirk has helped out on a song, his name is in the credits for writing it... I don't see his name in every credit for every song... Maybe kirk changes the solo abit after jaymz has written it... but if he wrote it... then his name would be in the credits

Well atleast that is my logic

But I totally agree with outlaw on Marty Friedman and John Petrucci.
awesome metal guitarists, I just haven't heard the rest of his list

oh and check out a guy called bumblefoot
Chuck Schuldiner (Death)
Jesper Stromblad (In Flames)
Mikael Åkerfeldt (Opeth)
Jeff Loomis (Nevermore)

Kirk does indeed write 99% of the solos, but you don't get a songwriting credit for simply writing the solos.
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Just to see if there's more behind the
Eyes of a fallen angel,
Eyes of a tragedy...

A-ramble on, and now's the time, the time is now
Sing my song, I'm goin' 'round the world, I gotta find my girl
On my way, I've been this way ten years to the day
Ramble on, gotta find the queen of all my dreams...

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Originally posted by nga_puhi_guy
Any time Kirk has helped out on a song, his name is in the credits for writing it... I don't see his name in every credit for every song... Maybe kirk changes the solo abit after jaymz has written it... but if he wrote it... then his name would be in the credits

Well atleast that is my logic

But I totally agree with outlaw on Marty Friedman and John Petrucci.
awesome metal guitarists, I just haven't heard the rest of his list

oh and check out a guy called bumblefoot
Kirk does not change James' solos. He writes his own. And saying that James does or does not make good solos is solely opinion.
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Kirk does not change James' solos. He writes his own. And saying that James does or does not make good solos is solely opinion.
IMO James's solos are much more emotional and Kirk seems to try to show off in his pentatonic box. With exceptions like the Outlaw Torn solo.
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Eyes of a fallen angel,
Eyes of a tragedy...

A-ramble on, and now's the time, the time is now
Sing my song, I'm goin' 'round the world, I gotta find my girl
On my way, I've been this way ten years to the day
Ramble on, gotta find the queen of all my dreams...

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Any time Kirk has helped out on a song, his name is in the credits for writing it... I don't see his name in every credit for every song... Maybe kirk changes the solo abit after jaymz has written it... but if he wrote it... then his name would be in the credits

Well atleast that is my logic
Almost no bands work like that. Drums don't get song writing credit for coming up with their own parts and bass players don't get credit for writing accompanying parts to guitar riffs. There are acceptions to everything of course, but I guarantee you Kirk would not get song writing credit for writing solos.
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Unread 11-25-2002, 11:49 PM   #59
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Almost no bands work like that. Drums don't get song writing credit for coming up with their own parts and bass players don't get credit for writing accompanying parts to guitar riffs.
Actually, Lars is credited as co-writing nearly every Metallica song ever written. Cliff is credited with co-writing most of Ride the Lightning. Hammett is credited for a few songs on Ride the Lightning. Cliff and Kirk are both credited in a few songs on Master of Puppets. The two of them are credited with co-writing very little of Kill 'Em All...that could be because neither of them were in the band when most of the album was written, though.
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Actually, Lars is credited as co-writing nearly every Metallica song ever written. Cliff is credited with co-writing most of Ride the Lightning. Hammett is credited for a few songs on Ride the Lightning. Cliff and Kirk are both credited in a few songs on Master of Puppets. The two of them are credited with co-writing very little of Kill 'Em All...that could be because neither of them were in the band when most of the album was written, though.
From what I've heard, James will send lars tapes of riffs that he has and Lars will arrange those parts into songs. Lars does most of the song arrangements. That is why he gets credit for most every song.
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