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Unread 09-18-2008, 06:01 PM   #76
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Or, why not a real used Fender? Take a look at a used MIJ Fender Strat. In most cases, I would take that over any partscaster. Keep in mind, it didn't take him $450 in parts to assemble that one; he'd be losing $$$ and time and effort.

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Ok it was always my Opinion that Mexican Fenders were on the same level as Epiphones are. Is this true?
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Unread 09-18-2008, 06:34 PM   #78
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Ok it was always my Opinion that Mexican Fenders were on the same level as Epiphones are. Is this true?
Only with respect to how their product lines are established. But, I don't think you can compare the guitars - they're too different. However, to compare apples to apples, I would say MIJ is to MIM Fenders as Epiphone Elitist is to Epiphone. Some would argue that the MIJ's could be even better than the MIA's. I wouldn't say that unequivocally, but, then again, my MIJ is over 20 years old.
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So is the American Standard Strat pretty much the best bang for the buck way to go in Strat Land?
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Dude, seriously, mighty mite and all parts stuff or a real fender for very similar prices...
This is the boat I sit in.

I understand digging the relic'd finish. My mid 80's MIJ Fender Strat has it's own dings and the character that comes with it. Same goes for my much newer Jazz V, and from what I've heard if can be quite difficult to get a good looking relic on a poly-finished Fender guitar.

As Hopeful pointed out, if you want an authentic Fender with some natural bumps and dings, don't be afraid of a early/mid 1980's MIJ.

My gut reaction to this guy's relic's guitars is this:
why is he selling them for $450? What is the backstory here? I don't mean to discount his business, but it doesn't make sense to wreck vintage parts in order to sell them on an assembled guitar below the market value for the parts disassembled.
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Unread 09-18-2008, 08:23 PM   #81
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So is the American Standard Strat pretty much the best bang for the buck way to go in Strat Land?
If you can get one for a good price, the MIA Standard is a phenomenal guitar. I finally got one this year and haven't ever looked back. However, it all depends on what you want. Do you want a guitar that will last you possibly your entire lifetime if you treat it well, or do you want a guitar that'll last you until you get the guitar that'll last your entire lifetime? Granted, what type that lifetime guitar is is up to you, but the MIA Standard will certainly last that long if you let it. These things are built really well. If you want a real Fender, just buy a real Fender .
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What about the Highway One Strats? What do you guys think about them?
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Also G&L guitars have caught my eye. Especially those Teles with the weird looking P90s in them..... What do you guys know about those?
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Unread 09-19-2008, 06:38 AM   #83
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But couldn't that also be considered a cool quirk that adds character?

MIghty Mite and All Parts are bad?
They do sell a level of cheap bodies and necks that are no better than Squier guitars.
If that's your thing, go buy a Squier Standard and drag it around behind a car for a few miles...
You'll save a lot of money.

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What about the Highway One Strats? What do you guys think about them?
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Also G&L guitars have caught my eye. Especially those Teles with the weird looking P90s in them..... What do you guys know about those?
Highway One Fenders are decent but I'm not a fan of the older model's finish...too gummy feeling, sort of like the "worn" Gibsons.
The newer models seem a little nicer.

G&L guitars are quality axes. Not the Tribute guitars...those are hit and miss imports...but genuine G&L guitars can rival or better their Fender counterparts.
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Unread 09-19-2008, 09:10 AM   #84
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So is the American Standard Strat pretty much the best bang for the buck way to go in Strat Land?
That depends on how much you want to spend and what you want. For instance, there's a lot of excitement over the Eric Johnson Strats, but those are over $1,700. The Hot Rods are also very nice for $1,600+. However, I don't think you would be complaining too much about those guitars. If you want the SCN pickups, you have to go with the American Deluxe and they're like $1,200+. Bang for the buck is relative to your budget and if you wanna buy new or used.

As far as G&L goes, listen to Dave and don't confuse the Tribute line which is made in Asia with the US Lines. I'll say this about G&L, they make gorgeous guitars. You could get a Tribute pretty cheap on eBay and I think you might be better off than with a MIM Fender. I owned a G&L Legacy for a while, but I could not really get into it. Although the birdseye maple neck was awesome to look at, it did not fit as well as my Fender necks and the pickups were noisy to me. The guy I sold it to loves it, but he did swap out the pickups for Lindy Fralins to make it better. I sold it because it was not being played enough to keep it. However, that would be a personal choice that you have to make yourself. $500 to $600 for a used Legacy is about right and will generally be better than the Tribute Legacy. The one thing I have found out is that Fender retains more of its value than G&L when I look at the resale market. You really have to go out and play the guitars yourself because another man's poison is another one's medicine. That way, you're not influenced by the marketing or by someone's subjective comment.
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Unread 09-19-2008, 10:48 AM   #85
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This is the boat I sit in.

I understand digging the relic'd finish. My mid 80's MIJ Fender Strat has it's own dings and the character that comes with it. Same goes for my much newer Jazz V, and from what I've heard if can be quite difficult to get a good looking relic on a poly-finished Fender guitar.

As Hopeful pointed out, if you want an authentic Fender with some natural bumps and dings, don't be afraid of a early/mid 1980's MIJ.

My gut reaction to this guy's relic's guitars is this:
why is he selling them for $450? What is the backstory here? I don't mean to discount his business, but it doesn't make sense to wreck vintage parts in order to sell them on an assembled guitar below the market value for the parts disassembled.
I have actually relicd a bass with really good results with nitro and really, its quite ridiculously easy to do. I used ultra fine sandpaper to simulate wear on the cut for your arm. a few well placed bumps, and some tung oil to cover the exposed wood and you can make a guitar look like its been played 30 years. Personally, I would never do that to my guitars. A couple ARE relics, but they came by it honestly and are 30+ years old.

My personal favorite option for a relic, is to buy a really old, beat up, quality guitar, restore its functionality, and clean up its aesthetics as best you can, and Voila, relic. Or use warmoth parts. Its really easy to do a finish for a relic, because if you mess a spot or two up, relic over it and it looks planned.

Personally, I far prefer a nice looking, well cared for guitar. That never goes out of style. Will some of my guitars turn into relics over time? Maybe. I kind of hope to have the time to wear the finish off a few necks playing.

If you just want a strat sounding guitar on the cheap, go with an MIA Peavey strat clone. Quality will fall above a mexi strat and asian imports, but below an MIA strat generally. ~$165 with shipping, and if its a plus to you, a lot of them have chipped, semi relic'd finishes already. add in some SCN Pickups, and you would be looking at $300, around the price point of a MIM fender. (but the stock pickups are nice enough and playable.)

Another option is getting a carvin bolt kit and a jar of tung oil. Really nice, natural finished guitar for around 350.

Please note that any kit options I am mentioning are MIA, high quality and can be assembled in no time and do not require much skill at all.
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Ok so this just popped up on Craigslist. What do you guys think? http://greensboro.craigslist.org/msg/847811907.html
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Just realized it was a broken neck. Wow those guitars look weird.........
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The Gibson Nighthawk is an interesting piece of Gibson history, and you are getting a big discount because of the neck repair. It may be a very solid repair, or it might be a workable, but ultimately unsatisfactory guitar in it's current condition.

Considering you've been GASsing for an LP, Telecaster or Strat, I would not let this guitar derail you unless you try it out and absolutely love it.
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What are you guys opinions of the Les Paul Special Faded double cutaways with the P90's? I played one and really liked it...
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Question is this finish damage on the back of this guitar going to damage the wood or mess up the guitar somehow? Here
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I'd say no. A lot of guitars get belt buckle rash (my Strat has a decent amount). It's pretty common.
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