[normajean777]

Well since it was local news for me, dominating the 6:00 pm news for more than a week, I could assume that there must be some fact to it (seeing that every news station can't be wrong.

And yes there is a major difference between American oil and foreign oil when we get down to the nitty gritty. In the big picture, its a commodity, with a floating world wide price. But in specifics not everyone supplying must have a buyer. Over 90% of the worlds oil is owned by governments, and ironically enough the so called "Big oil companies" only own less than 10%. Obama stated that he would ban the importing of "dirty" oil. That is oil from Alberta. Alberta is the largest supplier of oil to the United States. There is no arguing that.

[TahoeJeff]

Originally Posted by Jfool

Gosh, I guess with all that text under Obama's Resume, I should be impressed... went to multiple colleges, and even taught . Hmm, I remember college. Not impressed. I started my real education AFTER earning a B.S. Community organizer... okay... registered a bunchof voters... not so they could vote democrat,maybe? Next comes a bunch of lawyer stuff, and serving on committees. *Yawn* Any real accomplishments? *sound of crickets*

Seriously, I'm more interested in what they believe and what they are going to do. We've got enough lawyers and intellectuals in the Federal Gov.

Ignorance. That's all I see in that last post. Any "real accomplishments"? Are you kidding me?

• Harvard Law School
J.D. magna ___ laude 1988-1991 (they don't give that away)

Illinois Senate 1996-2004
• chairman, Health and Human Services Committee

United States Senate 2004-present
• Member, Senate Foreign Relations Committee
• Chairman, Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on European Affairs
• Member, Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
• Member, Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
• Member, Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs

Bills / Amendments Passed in U.S. Senate: 20

Bills Introduced: 10

How many bills/amendments have you introduced and gotten to pass in the US Senate? Oh! Zero!!? How surprising! If you don't think that anything Obama has done counts as a real accomplishment you truly are a fool.

That's great that you are worried about what they think and what they're going to do. You should worry about that. Coincidentally, Sarah Palin is also curious about what she's going to do.

Originally Posted by Sarah Palin

“What is it exactly that the VP does every day?”

[mulletman]

How is he considering the Alberta oil 'dirty?'

[Qingu]

Originally Posted by normajean777

Well since it was local news for me, dominating the 6:00 pm news for more than a week, I could assume that there must be some fact to it (seeing that every news station can't be wrong.

And yes there is a major difference between American oil and foreign oil when we get down to the nitty gritty. In the big picture, its a commodity, with a floating world wide price. But in specifics not everyone supplying must have a buyer. Over 90% of the worlds oil is owned by governments, and ironically enough the so called "Big oil companies" only own less than 10%. Obama stated that he would ban the importing of "dirty" oil. That is oil from Alberta. Alberta is the largest supplier of oil to the United States. There is no arguing that.

Normajean, how on earth did you arrive at the implication that Obama wants to buy more oil from the middle east?

Yes, he wants to wean America off of fossil fuels. Inevitably that will include oil from Canada. This is good, because fossil fuels are pollutants.

So please tell us how you connected the dots to "financing terrorism." I'm fascinated at what goes through your mind.

[TahoeJeff]

Originally Posted by mulletman

How is he considering the Alberta oil 'dirty?'

It takes more energy to get the oil from the ground than other locations. There are more greenhouse gasses produced. He wants to cut down the use of that "dirty"oil, while promoting alternative energy sources in order to slow climate change. I don't see the problem.

[TahoeJeff]

Originally Posted by Qingu

Normajean, how on earth did you arrive at the implication that Obama wants to buy more oil from the middle east?

Yes, he wants to wean America off of fossil fuels. Inevitably that will include oil from Canada. This is good, because fossil fuels are pollutants.

So please tell us how you connected the dots to "financing terrorism." I'm fascinated at what goes through your mind.

liek, moslumz R Terristz...duh QINGU!

[mulletman]

Originally Posted by TahoeJeff

It takes more energy to get the oil from the ground than other locations. There are more greenhouse gasses produced. He wants to cut down the use of that "dirty"oil, while promoting alternative energy sources in order to slow climate change. I don't see the problem.

Ah, got it. I was misunderstanding the term being used.

Gah, overuse of abstractions....

[slap_j]

Originally Posted by TahoeJeff

How many bills/amendments have you introduced and gotten to pass in the US Senate? Oh! Zero!!? How surprising! If you don't think that anything Obama has done counts as a real accomplishment you truly are a fool.

Chill pill, man. Take one.

Coincidentally, Sarah Palin is also curious about what she's going to do.

I don't think it was that stupid of a statement. The constitution doesn't say very much about the duties of the VP.

[TahoeJeff]

Originally Posted by slap_j

Chill pill, man. Take one.


I don't think it was that stupid of a statement. The constitution doesn't say very much about the duties of the VP.

I'm chill, yo!

[bread man]

Originally Posted by Akshay

Sadly this stunt by McCain may actually work to get a few Hilary supporters

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/d...459#post319459

Oh man, I saw some of that last night. Some of those posts had me banging my head against the desk. I mean, those people vote.

"I have a feeling, somewhere somehow, Hillary is snickering!"

"AS for the Dums whining that she doens't have experience running things--SHE HAS FIVE KIDS!! TRUST ME! SHE KNOWS HOW TO RUN THINGS!"

[mulletman]

5 kids? Or was that 4 and a grandkid?

Hey-oh!

[adamwagg]

I'm moving this to Government and Economics so it can be merged with the similar thread there.

[Small]

Originally Posted by TahoeJeff

Actually, this page has done a much better job collecting evidence to back up the allegations. There really does seem to be some fishy stuff.

http://dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/...137/486/580223

I did a little bit of checking up on this, and I'm becoming more and more disinclined to believe it.

I can't speak for the videos, because I'm on dial-up and can't see them, but Palin's stomach is obscured in every photo in the DailyKos article. She's wearing layers, and the top layer is free-hanging, which strikes me as a good method for concealing a bulge.

The DailyKos story dates this photo to March 9th, and links to Anchorage Daily News website here, where the caption points out that Palin's son Track is not pictured. If one member of the family can be missing, why couldn't they manufacture an excuse to keep their daughter out of the photo? If they couldn't find a way to keep her out of it, why is she wearing a tight, form-fitting sweater, while her mother's stomach is obscured by an unfastened jacket and her younger daughter's arm?

Additionally, Trig Palin was born on April 18, so if Bristol Palin is pregnant in the photo, she's roughly eight months along, and in keeping with family tradition she doesn't look remotely large enough to be pregnant, and nothing is obscuring her stomach.

The fact that eighty percent of babies with Down's Syndrome are born to mothers under the age of thirty-five is a specious point. Considered individually, it is three times as likely that Sarah Palin would give birth to a child with Down's Syndrome.

Her actions at and around the time of birth are odd, but not necessarily completely unheard-of for a woman who's been working with a single hospital or midwife for the duration of her pregnancy, wants to be in familiar surroundings where she's comfortable, and estimates that she can make it there without problems. I don't want to say that there's nothing in this particular point, because her actions and decisions were strange, but I don't think Governor Palin's version of events is unreasonable enough to assume that it's fictitious. It would certainly be helpful to have more information about whether she'd been using that hospital for routine check-ups and so forth throughout the duration of her pregnancy.

The thing that bothers me the most about the article is that eyewitnesses consistently didn't realize that she was pregnant, or how far along she was. But again, it's not totally unheard of for women to be small for their stage of pregnancy, or to not appear pregnant at all, especially if they try to conceal it. My mother has had a total of fifteen pregnancies, and when she was pregnant with my youngest brother, she held off on telling us until she was approximately five months along, and when she told the family, we were completely surprised. As with the last point--it's fishy, but by itself I don't find it completely convincing.

This photo seems to show her size better.

Overall, I didn't find the DailyKos story particularly convincing.

[normajean777]

Originally Posted by Qingu

Normajean, how on earth did you arrive at the implication that Obama wants to buy more oil from the middle east?

Yes, he wants to wean America off of fossil fuels. Inevitably that will include oil from Canada. This is good, because fossil fuels are pollutants.

So please tell us how you connected the dots to "financing terrorism." I'm fascinated at what goes through your mind.

Well where else do you think you can get massive amounts of oil to replace America's largest source? If the dollars did go to the middle east, then inevitably countries like Iran would be using it for their terrorist agendas.

[mulletman]

Well, that's quite the leap from 'buying oil from the middle east' to 'funding Iran's terrorist agendas.'