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Unread 08-25-2008, 11:43 AM   #1
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So I think I might have an Xaviere solidbody telecaster in my near future. Has anyone on here actually played one? Or are there any other teles that have better bang for the buck than these?

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Dang, those guitars are cheap.:-o I haven't played any of there guitars but you might also wanna check into rondo music also.
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My SXJM from Rondo is a really sweet guitar but it needs a new bridge (frets out after 15th fret). And I was thinking the Xavieres would be a lot higher quality than the Rondo ones. But I may be wrong on that...
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My SXJM from Rondo is a really sweet guitar but it needs a new bridge (frets out after 15th fret).
I'm thinking that should be adjustable. Maybe a little truss adjustment is in order.
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Well I'm not sure about Xavieres, but I just got a Johnson Tele and it's pretty solid. The tuners are a bit low grade, but the sound is pretty awesome.
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My SXJM from Rondo is a really sweet guitar but it needs a new bridge (frets out after 15th fret). And I was thinking the Xavieres would be a lot higher quality than the Rondo ones. But I may be wrong on that...
I'm not sure if they would be "a lot higher" quality than the SX Teles. Both seem to be followed by strong reviews though.

While they're more around the $300 range (new), the Squier Vintage Modified and Classic Vibe Telecasters get consistently strong reviews from what I've seen. I also owned a Squier Tele Custom II that I bought used for $160 that was a solid player.

Basically, in the sub-$300 range, heck even the sub-$200 range there are a lot of options and solid choices out there.
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I'm not sure if they would be "a lot higher" quality than the SX Teles. Both seem to be followed by strong reviews though.

While they're more around the $300 range (new), the Squier Vintage Modified and Classic Vibe Telecasters get consistently strong reviews from what I've seen. I also owned a Squier Tele Custom IIthat I bought used for $160 that was a solid player.

Basically, in the sub-$300 range, heck even the sub-$200 range there are a lot of options and solid choices out there.
I must admit that I'm not a huge fan of Squier's and I must also confess I'm not a big fan of the name Squier. And you don't think the Xaviere's would be higher quality than the SX Telecasters? Would you care to elaborate on that?

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I'm thinking that should be adjustable. Maybe a little truss adjustment is in order.
The screws were also stripped in the bridge and the screws that hold the saddles in place are constantly coming unscrewed.
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The screws were also stripped in the bridge and the screws that hold the saddles in place are constantly coming unscrewed.
Gotcha, though that is a rather strange problem.
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I must admit that I'm not a huge fan of Squier's and I must also confess I'm not a big fan of the name Squier. And you don't think the Xaviere's would be higher quality than the SX Telecasters? Would you care to elaborate on that?
The cheapest Xaviere XV-820 (the T-style body) is $160. The SX STL62 (SX's T-style) is $110. Let's compare their respective store's specifications for each.

XV-820
Body- Solid 3 Piece Poplar
Neck- Solid Maple with Rosewood Fingerboard with Graphite Nut
Fingerboard Radius- 12"
Frets- 21 Medium Jumbo Nickel Silver
Pickups- GFS TC Alnico Tele Pickup Matched Set
Tuners- Sealed Die Cast 14:1
Average Weight- 6.75 lbs.

STL62
Body - 3-piece body made of solid Alder
Neck - Maple neck with Aged Maple fretboard (or Rosewood, depending on model)
Frets - 21 jumbo (2.7mm)frets, and dot inlays
Fingerboard Radius - 13.7"
Pickups - Chrome covered mini single coil pickup and standard single coil pickup
Actual Weight - 8 lbs.

From just a specs angle you're paying $50 for a graphite nut and GFS pickups. Frets appear to be a personal preference (medium jumbo vs. jumbo), and I've heard that alder and poplar have similar tonal properties, but that alder has a better looking grain on natural or translucent (like a sunburst) finishes. I suspect the weight differences between the Xaviere and the SX are due to the wood selections.

The Xaviere features a "vintage correct" three-saddle brass bridge whereas the SX has a modern six-saddle bridge. Some folks swear by the three-saddle and others find the six-saddle much easier to work with. Xaviere also uses full size Alpha pots. SX makes no claims here.

Now, the Xaviere claims their graphite nuts are hand cut and that their frets are hand dressed. SX makes no claims in this area. From a marketing aspect, the Xaviere instruments should be superior in this category, after all the literature indicates that these guitars were taken care of by human hands, not just a machine. The general consensus seems to be that the Xaviere guitars are made in Indonesia/China while the SXs are made in China (these both may have changed...just basing it off of what I've read from users)...either way they're both made in budget brand import territory.

One reviewer said that the XV-820 he received had a steel bridge instead of a brass bridge, but Guitar Fetish shipped him the correct replacement for free. Both reviews noted that the GFS pickups used in the XV-820 were on the weak side. It seems like the SX reviews, like the Xaviere reviews, are generally positive. I know a lot of guys over on TGP and Talkbass swear by SXs for their backup guitars or for mod platforms.

On paper, the XV-820 should be higher quality than the SX, and why not? It's $50 more. My response earlier is that I wouldn't expect it to be "a lot higher" quality.
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The screws were also stripped in the bridge and the screws that hold the saddles in place are constantly coming unscrewed.
How long have you had your SX guitar now? Would you recommend the Rondo on this basis?
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I have owned an SX Tele and I have owned 2 Xavier guitars.

While both were nice guitars for the money, the Xaviers were hands down the better instrument. The GFS pickups are far (FAR) superior to the stock pickups on the SX Teles, and the finishing work and hardware were noticeably better on the Xaviers as well.

The SX guitar, being cheaper, is a very good platform for modding a guitar - especially if you can do your own fretwork and are not afraid to replace the nut. The Xaviers come pretty much ready to play and I have seen no finishing issues at all in the two I have owned. The SX needed some fret work and the hardware was pretty iffy.

Still - the SX is a good deal just for the guitar body and neck if you don't mind upgrading the guitar yourself. If you are looking for a plug and play guitar, the Xavier would be your ticket. They compare very well to the new Squier Vintage Modern Tele series that run twice the money.

And as a side note - both Rondo Music and Guitar Fetish (Xavier) have excellent customer service reputations.
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How long have you had your SX guitar now? Would you recommend the Rondo on this basis?
Honestly I was expecting to have some problems with the bridge and the neck is amazingly comfortable for my hand so I don't mind it so much. But the guitar I got is a quirky guitar and I would have to give them a second chance with a hardtail bridge.

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I like Jumbo and Medium jumbo frets rather equally so that takes that one down.
The teles I have liked the best have had the Three saddle bridges so I'm kinda leaning towards the Xaviere on that one. But I'm not a huge fan of the Xaviere headstocks but I guess I can get over that........
But if they're almost exactly the same guitar do I just go for the SX cuz it's cheaper and upgrade it as I wish? Or do I go for the Xaviere which like DenverDave said is the more Plug and Play type......
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Personally I would go with the SX, but that's largely because I probably wouldn't get over the headstock

but that's just me...
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I don't think I could get over the headstock either... there's something about the Xaviere that just doesn't sit right with me, when I look at it something looks wrong...
Personally if it were me buying this I would probably assume I am going to want to put money into modding this guitar to make it a better and more reliable player so I would go with the cheaper of the two to save some money for upgrading parts that are sure to be cheap and unreliable. Plus the SX somehow looks more like a tele should to me... Maybe it's just me though
I've heard bad things about the pickups in both, I've heard that most of them need some fret work to be playable, and I've heard that the wiring is usually poorly done and in need of being redone. But I've heard that if you're looking for a fixer-upper and have some know-how they are fun guitars and decent quality in many regards.

I've gotta say the price of these guitars always makes me skeptical... Not only because I wonder how it's possible that the whole guitar costs less than the pickups in my guitar. But because I always wonder about the poor workers in the factories that make these; how bad the conditions must be and how little they must get paid so that a store in America can actually turn a profit selling the whole guitar for $110 I don't feel good about supporting a system that exploits these people for cheap labor... but I guess thats just the way of the world these days
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Personally I would go with the SX, but that's largely because I probably wouldn't get over the headstock

but that's just me...
That's my reasons for not picking up an Xaviere. Besides, with the SX you can put any pickups in it you want. Not that you can't with the Xaviere, but wouldn't it be horrible to put more money into the guitar just to decide a month later that you want to change the pickups for another one even they were supposedly higher quality. Also, I've heard that the STL's have decent pickups on them. A lot of people say that out of the box the STL's are better than SX's SST's.

Of course, what can I say. I'm looking to pick up one of the black STL50's within a little while (I watch the inventory system very carefully. It was getting close. It got down to 4 in stock and I was going to jump, but then Kurt must have got more in because the inventory went to 20. It now sits at 16 as of my last checking). I'm trying to wait until he gets the SST57LPB back in stock so I can save on shipping.
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