[thesteve]

Originally Posted by Bro Shane

Well, you are entitled to your opinion. I also note you have not really paid attention to what I have written. I have not said guitar players should not use effects. What I have said is that less skilled and lazy guitarists tend to use more to compensate. Funny how those who disagree with me never speak to the points I have raised (Mr. BPE being the latest example) but, rather, they make an exaggeration of what I posted then attck the exaggeration.

You know, I don't even know the guy in the photo and I've never commented on his ability as a player - yet he has been defended as if I have.

Anyone care to talk about what I have actually said? If so, I'll be glad to discuss it. I also promise to keep my snottiness to a minimum

Let's review some of the things you've said...

Originally Posted by Bro Shane

Too much stuff.

ok.

Originally Posted by Bro Shane

That much stuff is good for making sounds, not much else. I do not mean this as an insult to anyone here, but most P&W guitarists (and 89% of guitarists in CCM) use so many effects because they are only used as part of the rhythm section, they can't do more than play about five chords, or both.

The implication of this post is that the player pictured in the first post uses his effects primarily to make sounds because he, like "89%" of guitarists in CCM only knows "five chords".

Originally Posted by Bro Shane

Concerning most people that I have heard play P&W and CCM, yes, that's what I'm saying and I honestly don't mean to come off as a jerk about it - although it's probably how it sounds. If people are satisfied with strumming and adding texture for worship, more power to them. It's just that from what I have seen and heard this is about all there is.

I just think that if we are going to start picking heros it should be for how they play, not how they process their sound with 6,000 pedals.

The implication here is that effects are nice for strumming and adding texture, but not much else.

Originally Posted by Bro Shane

What I am trying to say is that most people I have seen and heard that use a lot of pedals do so to compensate for lack of skill. Notice I didn't say "all" or "every one." I have just noticed that most effect junkies are more into sounds than actually playing more than chords or fills for texture.

Implication: Effects junkies generally aren't able to do more than play basic chords and fills and have to use all those effects because they aren't very good.

Originally Posted by Bro Shane

Too many guitar players use effects to cover up for a lack of skill. I never said all players, and I repeated that in case it was missed. Lazy players tend to use more effects becaue it gives them different sounds and textures without really having to do anything for them.

Implication: Most guitarists use effects because they're too lazy to get the skill required to make the effect on their own.

I'm still trying to figure out how I'm supposed to get a phaser/flanger/delay/chorus/etc. tone from my guitar without having an effect pedal that does those things. FWIW, in my experience lazy guitarists don't use very many effects because they are too lazy to learn how to set them up and use them properly.

and it's not like your posts have been exaggeration free. You've thrown out invented quantitative figures like " I do not mean this as an insult to anyone here, but most P&W guitarists (and 89% of guitarists in CCM) use so many effects because they are only used as part of the rhythm section, they can't do more than play about five chords, or both." and completely subjective qualitative statements like "most effect junkies are more into sounds than actually playing more than chords or fills for texture," that the majority of players are going to identify and disagree with.

I do understand where you're coming from, that many guitarists use effects as a crutch, but I have serious doubts that the vast majority of professional guitarists only appear to be skilled because they have a plethora of effects pedals to click on and off at their whim. It doesn't surprise me that users have jumped from

What I have said is that less skilled and lazy guitarists tend to use more to compensate.

to thinking that your opinion is that "more effects = less skilled/lazy and fewer effects = more skilled/less lazy"

[thesteve]

Shane, I'm curious, and am trying to actually facilitate a discussion here, so let's start simple...what sort of effects do lazy players use in order to achieve different sounds and textures?

[Rainer.]

Speaking from my own experience, all the guitarists I know of with more expansive pedalboards tend to be a bit more skilled and know what they want out of their boards to complement their playing. Less skilled guitarists tended to have smaller boards out of a lack of experience playing in general, and thus experience with effect pedals.

Assuming a player has less playing skill due to a larger pedalboard doesn't make much sense to me, personally.

[Boxnix]

Man have I gotten myself in one of these pickles before. I hope you all win.

In the mean time... MY STEREO MEMMORY MAN WITH HAZARAI just got here!!! I gotta say, it is pretty sweet. I think I'm going to be playing with the looper for a week....









If I can remember any chords to play.





lol I had to.

Seriously you guys cheel a bit. I thought it was a doof ball thing to say too but its obvious no one is going to convince anyone of anything so go play with one of your 25 effects.

[Hopeful]

Originally Posted by Boxnix

If I can remember any chords to play.





lol I had to.

Seriously you guys cheel a bit. I thought it was a doof ball thing to say too but its obvious no one is going to convince anyone of anything so go play with one of your 25 effects.

Ditto. I will try. How about, "I use a capo!"?

For you younger or newer players, don't go chasing a whole bunch of effects thinking it will make you sound better. Get a really good amp first and build your tone around that. BUT, please learn how to play that electric guitar, whatever you do!

[PianoMan]

CGR Rule #1:

Treat others on the boards with respect. Do not make personal attacks on others, "flame" other users (or post flame-bait posts), or generally treat other users in a disrespectful or demeaning manner.

Please follow the rules everyone, or I will close the thread. This is your only warning.

[S.B.Nichols]

I like it when it's not me getting in trouble

[BillSPrestonEsq]

Originally Posted by Bro Shane

BillSPreston Esq:

Sir, the more you post the more I am convinced you are incapable of comprehending the written word. You said this:

Continue insulting in this manner and you will be permanently banned. This is not a threat. This is a statement of fact.


Being as I am one of the admins of the board, I would suggest a reversal in your attitude3 toward posting. I am putting you on notice that any further insults like this will result in a ban immediately.

[PianoMan]

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