Can you say.. my hero??

S.B.Nichols · 08-31-2008, 10:42 PM

[hypnotically]You all need more effects. Buy more effects....[/hypnotically]

BrianG_SOBand · 09-01-2008, 12:11 AM

haha we should all get a pedal from SBN

im building my first pedal this coming weekend.. kinda like you lil' Eagle..

my first time making a pedal so wish me luck

haha

Bro Shane · 09-01-2008, 04:14 PM

What I said was the truth.

BrianG_SOBand · 09-01-2008, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bro Shane

What I said was the truth.

which part?

I think their are alot of great guitarist that use ALOT of pedals..

I dont use them to hide behind lack of skill. I use them to create a WHOLE new experince in worship music

i plan on getting more .

Bro Shane · 09-02-2008, 08:36 AM

Too many guitar players use effects to cover up for a lack of skill. I never said all players, and I repeated that in case it was missed. Lazy players tend to use more effects becaue it gives them different sounds and textures without really having to do anything for them.

telecasting · 09-02-2008, 09:35 AM

A valid point, but it just seems a bit dismissive. Tom Morello is able to coax some amazingly different sounds out of his guitars using a bunch of pedals, but in no way does that make him lazy nor is it covering a lack of skill. It's about fitting a sound.

I think there is an important place for pedal use particularly in p&w music because it fits that role that people are looking for in worship music. As so many people keep saying, tone and technique is all about context, and the general perception about the electric guitars place in p&w is to provide that kind of sound that is so often achieved using pedals.

I wish that the electric guitar in modern p&w required a sweet as bluesy tone and twiddly bits like John Mayer, but it just doesn't. Otherwise, I would of course be looking for an old beat up strat and an old Fender amp. Nevermind...

***BillSPrestonEsq*** · 09-02-2008, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Bro Shane

Too many guitar players use effects to cover up for a lack of skill. I never said all players, and I repeated that in case it was missed. Lazy players tend to use more effects becaue it gives them different sounds and textures without really having to do anything for them.

and I really think this is nothing more than being ignorantly dismissive and snotty. Effects cannot make up for skill. If you play badly with a ton of effects it still sounds horrid. This really just sounds like patting yourself on the back for not using many effects.

What should players have to do for effects? Sit down and twiddle with amp knobs between songs?

**thesteve** · 09-02-2008, 10:13 AM

This pedalboard is from a real guitar n00b, circa 2006.

The explanation I read was something like this:
Teese Wah > TU-2 > Keeley Katana > Boss blues Driver (modded) > Ts808 (modded) > Some kind of T Rex unit > T Rex Delay > Amps

I guess I just don't really understand where the line is drawn between "too many" and "just right" amounts of effects pedals. It all seems pretty arbitrary to me.

BrianG_SOBand · 09-02-2008, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq

and I really think this is nothing more than being ignorantly dismissive and snotty. Effects cannot make up for skill. If you play badly with a ton of effects it still sounds horrid. This really just sounds like patting yourself on the back for not using many effects.

What should players have to do for effects? Sit down and twiddle with amp knobs between songs?

+1

LWatford · 09-02-2008, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thesteve

This pedalboard is from a real guitar n00b, circa 2006.

The explanation I read was something like this:
Teese Wah > TU-2 > Keeley Katana > Boss blues Driver (modded) > Ts808 (modded) > Some kind of T Rex unit > T Rex Delay > Amps

I guess I just don't really understand where the line is drawn between "too many" and "just right" amounts of effects pedals. It all seems pretty arbitrary to me.

way huge aqua puss

**Rainer.** · 09-02-2008, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by telecasting

A valid point, but it just seems a bit dismissive. Tom Morello is able to coax some amazingly different sounds out of his guitars using a bunch of pedals, but in no way does that make him lazy nor is it covering a lack of skill. It's about fitting a sound.

Though, interestingly, in Morello's case, he makes some pretty wild sounds using a pretty limited board. Most rig descriptions I've seen only have him using around 5-7 pedals.

BrianG_SOBand · 09-02-2008, 01:59 PM

haha

my girlfriend just walked in the door with a PODXT LIVE and was like happy 1year and 7 months

I know that it has nothing to do with what we are talking about .. BUT right now im in shock... I figured i let it out right here

ABOUT TO PLAY around with it

Me and her where talking about it recently.. ( my girlfriend is Learning about guitar stuff) she sets up my live rig when im setting up the sound system.. she does it better then i do now

haha she is awesome

Gahhh im happy right this moment.. I wonder how crummy i am now that i have like 14 stompboxes and a PODXTL.. hahaha

YAY.

**thesteve** · 09-02-2008, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by LWatford

way huge aqua puss

Is that what that is? I didn't make that order, I just copy/pasted it from the site with that picture in it.

Bro Shane · 09-02-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq

and I really think this is nothing more than being ignorantly dismissive and snotty. Effects cannot make up for skill. If you play badly with a ton of effects it still sounds horrid. This really just sounds like patting yourself on the back for not using many effects.

What should players have to do for effects? Sit down and twiddle with amp knobs between songs?

Well, you are entitled to your opinion. I also note you have not really paid attention to what I have written. I have not said guitar players should not use effects. What I have said is that less skilled and lazy guitarists tend to use more to compensate. Funny how those who disagree with me never speak to the points I have raised (Mr. BPE being the latest example) but, rather, they make an exaggeration of what I posted then attck the exaggeration.

You know, I don't even know the guy in the photo and I've never commented on his ability as a player - yet he has been defended as if I have.

Anyone care to talk about what I have actually said? If so, I'll be glad to discuss it. I also promise to keep my snottiness to a minimum

S.B.Nichols · 09-02-2008, 02:48 PM

Oh, there are good players who use effects, and there are good players that don't. I don't really see what the big deal is. Give John Mayer a squire strat and amp and he'll still sound like the John Mayer that uses an adrenylinn and several other units.

I usually play with one pedal, a boost, to get my ac30 into OD at room volumes, but if I were back gigging again I'd likely use 4 or 5. I like effects (a delay or two, chorus, eq, maybe an OD), I've probably got 35 or so pedals sitting in my office, but I'm lazy and don't want to take the time to set them up.

I've played gigs using a GE-7 into a fender frontman and did just fine. I've also played gigs with my HUGE pedalboard filled rim to rim with all my toys and I've done just fine. The number of effects I used never really effected how well I played.