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Originally Posted by sabertooth181

I understand making an investment in a player. But they have also invested in an entire team that was one game away from the Super Bowl last season. If they don't make it as far this year, the season will be labeled as a a failure. It's pretty difficult to make a case for Aaron Rodgers being able to take the team deeper than Favre, although time will tell. Your point is taken though. If Favre were to play longer than one more year you would most likely lose Rodgers. Ideally, Favre would make one last run and Rodgers would take over next year, a time frame similar to that of Tony Romo's. Yeah it would have been tough on Rodgers, but no tougher than having to live up to the extreme expectations he faces now.

Why would Favre ideally make one more run, and only tell them about it right before camp starts? Pretty selfish, really. The team had moved on and accepted Aaron Rodgers as their QB. Favre is the one who came in and tried to change their plans.

If you acknowledge that there is something special about Favre that would help put a likely playoff team over the edge, shouldn't you just keep him for yourself? Else, he is just a washed up old QB that is nothing to be afraid of.

I think it is ludicrous to say that it is one or the other. Mostly because you never know how a QB is going to play. Who would have guessed that Jeff Garcia would be a Pro-Bowler last year? To say he is either washed up or enough to put someone over the edge is not true at all.

Favre is a Hall of Fame QB that has made the Packers successful and held their fan base intact for almost two decades. He has been invaluable to the franchise. Treat him with a little more respect.

He alone did not make that team successful. There were a lot of players, coaches and executives involved in that. Maybe he should show them enough respect to not come in just before training camp after being retired and expect everybody to change their plans for him. And it is extremely disrespectful that he ask that they trade him to a division rival. It isn't a one way street. The team did a lot for him, too. Including taking a chance on him when nobody else seemed to want to.

[thesteve]

Originally Posted by sabertooth181

I understand making an investment in a player. But they have also invested in an entire team that was one game away from the Super Bowl last season. If they don't make it as far this year, the season will be labeled as a a failure.

All Aaron Rodgers has to do this year is give the Packers a better record than the Jets...and the Jets were 4-12 last year...

[TunerSteve]

Why would Favre ideally make one more run, and only tell them about it right before camp starts? Pretty selfish, really

Similar to what Michael Strahan did with the Giants last year, then came in and they won the Super Bowl.

What I haven't seen mentioned in this discussion is the salary cap issue. Many, many players are rewarded for past performance in future contracts. Brett was no different, and he would've subjected the Packers to a fairly heavy hit in the salary cap. I believe much of the decision for the Packers front office, was whether Favre would've been worth the salary he would expect, and quite honestly I think the gamble will come out in the Packer's favor here.

I actually hope he does well in New York, but the fans there won't be nearly as forgiving for his tendency to throw one up for grabs once-in-awhile trying to make a play. A very short honeymoon I believe. Shades of Joe Montana finishing up in Kansas City. Montana did lead KC to the playoffs that year, but it's not how most NFL fans will remember his career ending.

[Art]

Originally Posted by TunerSteve

Similar to what Michael Strahan did with the Giants last year, then came in and they won the Super Bowl.

Yeah. And Strahan was pretty selfish in doing so. It worked out for both sides, but it was clear pretty much from the beginning that Brett coming back was not going to work for the Packers.

[sabertooth181]

Originally Posted by thesteve

All Aaron Rodgers has to do this year is give the Packers a better record than the Jets...and the Jets were 4-12 last year...

Well I think it's more about living up to the team's results from last year. It's the same team minus Favre. So they should yield similar results.

I really don't have a problem with the Packers' decisions. If you're ready to move on and think it's in the best interest of the team, okay, although it is a huge risk. I think even Favre understood from the beginning. The Packers just should have granted his release like he asked. Let Favre move on too. And give him more time to become familiar with his new team. He's already two weeks behind in camp. You can't convince me he doesn't deserve that much.

But it's a done deal now, and I have to say I hope Rodgers is a bust and the Pack crumbles. I never cared for the organization anywyay.

[TunerSteve]

Originally Posted by sabertooth181

But it's a done deal now, and I have to say I hope Rodgers is a bust and the Pack crumbles. I never cared for the organization anywyay.

While I understand your sentiment, I actually like the way the organization is set up. It's the one NFL team that really can't move to another city, and therefore the fans have that security and much of their loyalty stems from that foundation. Unlike the Clevland, Los, Angles, St. Louis Rams fans (among others).

[Gwenny]

Originally Posted by TunerSteve

While I understand your sentiment, I actually like the way the organization is set up. It's the one NFL team that really can't move to another city, and therefore the fans have that security and much of their loyalty stems from that foundation. Unlike the Clevland, Los, Angles, St. Louis Rams fans (among others).

Are you kidding me? Cleveland fans made a stink for years after they moved the team to Baltimore and many of them refused to cheer for any team until Cleveland got another NFL team. So to say those fans aren't loyal is crap.

[TunerSteve]

Originally Posted by luvinjesus

Are you kidding me? Cleveland fans made a stink for years after they moved the team to Baltimore and many of them refused to cheer for any team until Cleveland got another NFL team. So to say those fans aren't loyal is crap.

My statement was about the Cleveland Rams moving to LA, prior to moving to St. Louis. The Browns fans totally rock!