Go Back   Christian Guitar Forum > Music & Musicians > Music > Christian Music
Is this true?

Is this true?

Register FAQ Members List Calendar Arcade Mark Forums Read

Closed Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-07-2008, 07:17 PM   #1
Banned
 
HannahBelle's Avatar
 

Joined: Jun 2008
Location: Nevada
Posts: 39
Question Is this true?
Okay there is this really annoying guy who goes to my church He says that the band POD isn't christian (even though they sing christian songs) because they sponered a beer company but as I recall Jesus would drink wine but that didn't make him not Jesus, So whats the deal?

HannahBelle is offline  
Sponsored Links
Old 07-07-2008, 07:38 PM   #2
Keep cool my babies
 
conceived in fire's Avatar
 

Joined: Mar 2007
Location: A van down by the river!!
Posts: 1,978
Send a message via AIM to conceived in fire
They're all Christians, and they openly admit to being so.
Sinning once doesn't make you un-Christian, even if it's in the public eye. Drinking beer isn't a sin, drunkenness is, and we don't know that they drank beer anyways.
__________________
conceived in fire 1. An album by Living Sacrifice 2. A reference to passion 3. Name of whatever band I [wanted to] form.
When you call anything with harsh vocals "screamo", it makes as much sense as calling anything with distorted guitar "heavy metal".
conceived in fire is offline  
Old 07-07-2008, 07:51 PM   #3
Moderator
 
Sean's Avatar
 

Joined: Sep 2002
Location: Austin, Tx
Posts: 22,493
Send a message via AIM to Sean Send a message via MSN to Sean
I don't know about the beer issue. The reason POD isn't Christian is because they endorse Rastafarianism, and enourage Rastifarians to praise the Rastafarian Jah.
__________________
Me Online:

seanchandler.net * Facebook

My Music:

Exchange Worship

My Ministry

My Student Ministry
Sean is offline  
Old 07-07-2008, 09:37 PM   #4
Banned
 
HannahBelle's Avatar
 

Joined: Jun 2008
Location: Nevada
Posts: 39
Question Huh
What is that?
HannahBelle is offline  
Old 07-07-2008, 10:04 PM   #5
Registered User
 
Big_al's Avatar
 

Joined: May 2004
Location: georgia
Posts: 938
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rastafari_movement
Big_al is offline  
Old 07-07-2008, 10:51 PM   #6
Keep cool my babies
 
conceived in fire's Avatar
 

Joined: Mar 2007
Location: A van down by the river!!
Posts: 1,978
Send a message via AIM to conceived in fire
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean View Post
The reason POD isn't Christian is because they endorse Rastafarianism, and enourage Rastifarians to praise the Rastafarian Jah.
Weird...I always heard "Jah" was some form of "Jehovah" from the King James Bible.
__________________
conceived in fire 1. An album by Living Sacrifice 2. A reference to passion 3. Name of whatever band I [wanted to] form.
When you call anything with harsh vocals "screamo", it makes as much sense as calling anything with distorted guitar "heavy metal".
conceived in fire is offline  
Old 07-07-2008, 11:12 PM   #7
Art
Cool enough
Administrator
 
Art's Avatar
 
Basketball Shoot-out Champion!Tournaments Won: 35

Joined: May 2002
Location: Northern California
Posts: 39,341
paid
Send a message via AIM to Art Send a message via MSN to Art Send a message via Skype™ to Art
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean View Post
I don't know about the beer issue. The reason POD isn't Christian is because they endorse Rastafarianism, and enourage Rastifarians to praise the Rastafarian Jah.
source?
__________________
Flickr.
Art is offline  
Old 07-07-2008, 11:35 PM   #8
Moderator
 
Sean's Avatar
 

Joined: Sep 2002
Location: Austin, Tx
Posts: 22,493
Send a message via AIM to Sean Send a message via MSN to Sean
DISCLAIMER: My critics of the band are real. My statements about the band not being "Christian" were in jest.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Art View Post
source?
I probably can't back the part about them endorsing Rastafarianism. The part about them encouraging praise of Jah comes from the liner notes of Satellite. They had H.R. from Bad Brains, a Rastafarian, sing on the song "Without Jah, Nothin." I don't have a problem with a Rastafarian singing on the album. I do have a problem with a Christian writing a praise song to God which uses common Rastafarian terminology, and then inviting a Rastafarian to do guest vocals on the song.
__________________
Me Online:

seanchandler.net * Facebook

My Music:

Exchange Worship

My Ministry

My Student Ministry
Sean is offline  
Old 07-07-2008, 11:40 PM   #9
Moderator
 
Sean's Avatar
 

Joined: Sep 2002
Location: Austin, Tx
Posts: 22,493
Send a message via AIM to Sean Send a message via MSN to Sean
Quote:
Originally Posted by conceived in fire View Post
Weird...I always heard "Jah" was some form of "Jehovah" from the King James Bible.
That's where the term comes from. However, it's not a common term used by Christians. Rastafarians took it as the name for their god. So while it technically is a biblical term, in the 21st century it's almost solely linked with Rastafarianism. P.O.D. has never been modest about their appreciation of Rasta culture. So it's pretty clear why they're choosing to use the term. In and of itself that isn't wrong, but it isn't terribly wise either. Where I would say they definitely crossed the line was when they had a Rastafarian sing on a praise song to Jah. It may praise the god of the Bible for them, but the Rastafarian is committing idolatry...and they put it on their CD.
__________________
Me Online:

seanchandler.net * Facebook

My Music:

Exchange Worship

My Ministry

My Student Ministry
Sean is offline  
Old 07-08-2008, 12:12 AM   #10
I need a bigger car!
 
DKelly's Avatar
 

Joined: Mar 2005
Location: San Diego
Posts: 8,896
Moved to Individual Artists.

Regarding P.O.D., they have made some choices that I don't understand(if they intended "Without Jah, Nothin'" to be a worship song to God, then their inviting H.R. to be a part of it wasn't a smart move). However, since even Jesus is recorded to have been drinking alcohol, I don't see this whole beer thing as a bad thing in and of itself.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by mattslope
e-marriages, on the other hand, are pure comic gold. I will never tire of listening the the soft mewings of 14 year olds in heat.
DKelly is offline  
Old 07-08-2008, 04:16 PM   #11
Just said something
 
ice_wiz's Avatar
 

Joined: Aug 2005
Location: Between nowhere & everywhere
Posts: 1,719
Send a message via MSN to ice_wiz
Here is a page that discusses this exclusively. Some of it seems accusational but there are some possible truths here.

http://www.av1611.org/crock/pod_rast.html
__________________
ice_wiz is offline  
Old 07-08-2008, 06:53 PM   #12
Red Sox Rocker
 
+SEAL+'s Avatar
 
Tournaments Won: 2

Joined: Nov 2005
Location: Steubenville, Ohio
Posts: 2,046
Quote:
Originally Posted by ice_wiz View Post
Here is a page that discusses this exclusively. Some of it seems accusational but there are some possible truths here.

http://www.av1611.org/crock/pod_rast.html
When I went to a Google search, that page and similar ones were what popped up first. At best, they're very heavily slanted propaganda sites. I wouldn't trust them.
__________________
"Every lament is a love song..."
~Switchfoot, Yesterday
"Lift is an existence."
~A good friend of mine
"Hail! Hail! Hail! Hail! Hail..."
~Coheed and Cambria, The End Complete V: On the Brink
Tale of the Nine: my Songwriting project!
"Tails flies away, but the Link hookshots him, beats him with the magic hammer, boomerangs him in the head, bombs him, freezes him and then lights him on fire, creates blocks to through at him, shoots him with arrows, and then whacks him with the master sword. That's one heck of a bat belt that Link has there. Link advances." (From the Video Game Showdown)
+SEAL+ is offline  
Old 07-08-2008, 10:17 PM   #13
Moderator
 
Sean's Avatar
 

Joined: Sep 2002
Location: Austin, Tx
Posts: 22,493
Send a message via AIM to Sean Send a message via MSN to Sean
Quote:
Originally Posted by ice_wiz View Post
Here is a page that discusses this exclusively. Some of it seems accusational but there are some possible truths here.

http://www.av1611.org/crock/pod_rast.html
Quote:
Originally Posted by +SEAL+ View Post
When I went to a Google search, that page and similar ones were what popped up first. At best, they're very heavily slanted propaganda sites. I wouldn't trust them.
That website is good for finding "facts." They've done their research. However, they're off their rocker. So most of their conclusions are completely off the wall.
__________________
Me Online:

seanchandler.net * Facebook

My Music:

Exchange Worship

My Ministry

My Student Ministry
Sean is offline  
Old 07-09-2008, 12:36 AM   #14
Banned
 
HannahBelle's Avatar
 

Joined: Jun 2008
Location: Nevada
Posts: 39
Who is this Jah?!
HannahBelle is offline  
Old 07-09-2008, 12:55 AM   #15
Moderator
 
Sean's Avatar
 

Joined: Sep 2002
Location: Austin, Tx
Posts: 22,493
Send a message via AIM to Sean Send a message via MSN to Sean
Quote:
Originally Posted by HannahBelle View Post
Who is this Jah?!
The name for god in Rastafarianism.
__________________
Me Online:

seanchandler.net * Facebook

My Music:

Exchange Worship

My Ministry

My Student Ministry
Sean is offline  
Closed Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2

« This is awesome. | Favorite Song on mmhmm (New thread) »
Thread Tools
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:55 AM.