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Old 04-16-2008, 11:32 PM   #1
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How should i set up my effects chain?

I have a volume, wah, 2 ODs, DL4, tremolo, tuner ped, EQ pedal (fish n chips WOO!!), boss compressor, and envelope filter (auto wah)

how should i set up my effects from guitar to amp?

also, how does changing the order affect my sound?

should i invest in some george L's?

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I have a volume, wah, 2 ODs, DL4, tremolo, tuner ped, EQ pedal (fish n chips WOO!!), boss compressor, and envelope filter (auto wah)

how should i set up my effects from guitar to amp?

also, how does changing the order affect my sound?

should i invest in some george L's?
I love my George L's. Totally worth it in my opinion.

Does your volume have a tuner out?

I would go Volume(tuner out of it, if possible) > Wah/envelope filter > compressor > OD's > EQ > Tremolo > DL4.

I think. I don't use a EQ or a tremolo, so those might need different spots than what I have in my head. And really, you can put stuff in any order. There are no set rules, just ways that most people seem to like it. I know that a lot of people put their compressor after od, too.
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I love my George L's. Totally worth it in my opinion.

Does your volume have a tuner out?

I would go Volume(tuner out of it, if possible) > Wah/envelope filter > compressor > OD's > EQ > Tremolo > DL4.

I think. I don't use a EQ or a tremolo, so those might need different spots than what I have in my head. And really, you can put stuff in any order. There are no set rules, just ways that most people seem to like it. I know that a lot of people put their compressor after od, too.
I actually prefer trem after delay. I'm not sure what is "traditional" for those two effects. The EQ can go anywhere, just depends on what you're using it for and what you want it to sculpt.
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im using the EQ as a boost pedal, so should i put it after my OD/D's?
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im using the EQ as a boost pedal, so should i put it after my OD/D's?
still depends. do you ever see yourself using them to boost the gain before the OD/DS pedals to get more OD/DS from those pedals, or only as a clean boost for your amp? Basically if you put the EQ before the drive pedals, then you can increase the gain before those pedals and push them harder, but if you put the EQ after those pedals you can boost those pedals to higher volume (and EQ them) though you couldn't increase the gain on them.
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ahh bingo i get what your saying
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I don't want to be the guy that starts the George L debate, but I will say that there might be better areas to invest your money.

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I'd go:

wah > compressor > EQ > 2 ODs > AMP > envelope filter > tremolo > volume (tuner out) > delay

I like the sound of an envelope filter after distortion, and that would give a different flavor than your wah, though you could definitely try it before distortion.

And as far as Steve's comment, I believe that tremolo traditionally goes before delay.

With the setup I put, the EQ acts as a gain boost if you want, and the volume acts as the overall volume, though if you want your volume to be the gain boost, and the EQ as the volume boost, you can switch the places of those two pedals. I personally like the more dynamic volume adjustment I can do with a volume pedal at the end of my chain, and have a gain boost pedal before my amp to dirty it up with the tap of a button.
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And as far as Steve's comment, I believe that tremolo traditionally goes before delay.
That's what I suspected as well. I think I started using it after delay per Griffon's suggestion. From the looks of the professional rigs on GuitarGeek it definitely looks like people just put it where they like it. I placed it after delay and found that I had a much more useful sound when both delay and trem were running at the same time than I did with the trem before the delay pedal.
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I don't want to be the guy that starts the George L debate, but I will say that there might be better areas to invest your money.

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however a good upside of george Ls are that you can customize how long you want your patch cables, and from the look of it, my pedalboard looks like hell with everything going all over the place, and the DL4, it being so big, it goes on the top left corner because it goes after everything; but the patch cables aren't long enough to reach the inputs....its complicated ^^
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I have a volume, wah, 2 ODs, DL4, tremolo, tuner ped, EQ pedal (fish n chips WOO!!), boss compressor, and envelope filter (auto wah)

how should i set up my effects from guitar to amp?

also, how does changing the order affect my sound?

should i invest in some george L's?
I would probably do something like:

Tuner > Envelope Filter > Wah > OD > Comp > OD > EQ > Volume > Tremolo > DL4

The tuner could also go at the very end so you have a mute switch. You could switch the envelope filter and wah around if you like that better. The gain stacking gives you a lot of options for sounds, though this can also be rearranged any way you like. I put the volume after the gain because you can both mute just the gain and let the Delays go on, and you can do volume swells easily. Just use the volume knob on your guitar to have control over the way your OD's clean up. Trem can go before volume too if it's noisey when it's on (sometimes the LFO makes noise). Finally, the DL4 at the end for it's looping capabilities.

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I actually prefer trem after delay. I'm not sure what is "traditional" for those two effects.
I actually do to. However, I don't like the delays on the DL4, and I do like the looper. If it were my board, I would want to loop the tremolo, not tremolo the loops.

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And as far as Steve's comment, I believe that tremolo traditionally goes before delay.
I believe that tremolo traditionally comes after the reverb in fender amps, which is why I put my trem at the end of my pedal board (though, depending on if I keep my DL4 that might change).
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You mean as far as a chain?
I would do your distortions first, wah second, volume last as for volume, delays always right after everything else. Tremolo after the OD's.
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Go to www.robertkeeley.com and in his info area he has a keen sentencing phrase to remember your chain of effects...I didn't commit it to memory yet, but it is a good one
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posting this as a reminder to self, and for others:

EFFECT PEDAL ORDER AND PLACEMENT

Q: Is there a specific order my effects should go in?


A: Yes and no. There are some guidelines that can be followed to make sure odd things don't happen. There have been times when a compressor after a delay pedal or reverb unit has caused some bad (good?) effects, there have been brilliant moves to place effects in certain orders that break most rules, but below is a guideline I came up with and was published in Musician's Hotline Magazine. Nice things is it gives you a way, a phrase to memorize so that when you're on the road, you can get it right if you pick up a new effect.
Placing effects in a logical order will help! This list of effects order is just a general guideline. Some of the best and most unique guitar tones have been created by breaking the rules! You guys need a head start at good tone right?! A way to make life easy right?! I came up with a little phrase to help remember the order because even I forget. Ask yourself this when you wonder about effects order or placement: Which Chain Of Effect Pedals Makes Life Easy? All you have to do is remember this phase and which letter corresponds to which type of effect. Wah -> Which, Compressor -> Chain, Overdrive -> Of, EQ -> Effect, Pitch -> Pedals, Modulation -> Make, Level -> Life, Echo -> Easy. I like to see wah pedals and sometimes even phasers as the first effect after the guitar. We�ll call these Wah effects (yes even the phaser). Wah pedals boost a frequency you sweep to with your foot and phasers cut or notch a frequency that is swept to electronically. Distortion pedals make interesting response changes to the boost or cut from these sweep pedals. Compressors typically go next although I like them after distortion pedals in many cases if the compressor is clean and transparent enough. Compression after distortion has two effects that I really like. First, the noise floor is lower because the noise from a compressor isn�t being amplified and distorted by the overdrive pedal. Second, there appears to be more sustain. There is one draw back that some people notice and that is a darker, warmer tone. Some folks might prefer a more conventional, brighter tone. Next comes Overdrive or distortion. Equalizer pedals can go next. They are commonly used for a boost pedal if they can be turned on and off, or used to shape the tone of the distortion pedal. Pitch changing pedals, Vibrato for example; go next for the simple reason that many distortion pedals can�t handle the many pitches at one time. Try strumming a complex chord with your distortion pedal on, say a C7#9#11. Modulation effects go next such as chorus and flanging go next. Level pedals that control the volume go next in many cases. This would include tremolo, volume pedals (great at this point in the effects chain because it cuts all the hiss going to your amp), noise gates and limiters. Since compression is a limiter in many cases and this is why it works post-distortion by the way. Echo effects go last. These include delay and reverb. A sample effects board might contain these effects:

Guitar -> Wah, Compressor, Overdrive, EQ, Vibrato, Chorus, Tremolo, Volume Pedal, and Delay-> Am
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Just to confuse things even further, some like to have tremolo before ODs, so that you get a swirly tone change rather than just volume change.
I would also stick to having EQ after ODs
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