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Unread 03-10-2008, 10:33 AM   #1
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Major Tom's 12 String Electric thread

GAS begets GAS.

Now that I have the Vox AC15CC, the idea of getting a 12 string electric has popped into my head. I guess because I always did like the British Invasion tones, along with the Byrds and other american groups who used 12 strings in the 60's.

Anybody here using one in the P&W or other band situation? If so, please relate any comments, or advice about how you use it - clean, OD, distortion tones? what is the rig you play it thru? how often do you use it? what type of song context? which one do you have - do you like it? String gauges you use, etc.

Anyway, I'd like to try one in the P & W context. Probably with the same type settings I mostly use for my 6 strings - what some call "not clean/not dirty", or what I call just beyond clean to mild OD. I think it might fit pretty well with my "retro" playing style and tone.

I'm looking for any suggestions for a cheapie, probably used, I'd like to keep it under $300. I'm not ready to invest in a Ric at this juncture. I did look at a 12 from Agile, but from the pics it looks to have a 6 string tuneomatic bridge, so you wouldn't be able to intonate each string individually... I'm not sure if that would be a terribly bad thing or not. I did see a semi'hollow Daisy Rock 12 on ebay - it wasn't "girly" looking, just a plain white 335'sh shape; its starting bid is @100 bux. (OK, so its a "girl" guitar, but only a real man would play one and not care what people thought) I've heard the DR's are pretty decent cheapie axes, but it looked like it had the regular 6 string tuneomatic bridge also. Is there such a thing as a 12 string tuneomatic replacement?

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Unread 03-10-2008, 10:45 AM   #2
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Well, I use a Rogue (don't judge guys!) 12 string acoustic, but I usualy use a Woody pickup in the sound hole. I've been known to use it in P&W with a clean tone (mainly for songs with a lot of praise band chords e.g. Open the eyes of my heart), but I also have been known to dirty it up a bit outside of church. It sounds really cool if you slap it in open G, pull out your slide, and Put the Boss OD-3 in full gear...
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Unread 03-10-2008, 10:57 AM   #3
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Right onTom, I used to have a pepto bismal pink kramer that I played in the eighties. (Please forgive me) The only experience I have with electric 12 strings are the Ric and the double neck gibson, (yes, forgive me for that too). I personnaly love the sound of 12 strings and think it would sound great into the vox. Didnt The Birds use Vox and Ric's?
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Unread 03-10-2008, 11:33 AM   #4
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Well, I use a Rogue (don't judge guys!) 12 string acoustic, but I usualy use a Woody pickup in the sound hole. I've been known to use it in P&W with a clean tone (mainly for songs with a lot of praise band chords e.g. Open the eyes of my heart), but I also have been known to dirty it up a bit outside of church. It sounds really cool if you slap it in open G, pull out your slide, and Put the Boss OD-3 in full gear...
Good stuff - wow, a slide on a 12 string in open G with OD.

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I know Roger McGuinn did use a Ric, in fact, Ric has a R.M. signature model, not sure about the amp. I did read an article in GP many years ago, I do remember that they said for his 12 part on Tambourine Man, they ran it thru 2 compressors in series, Im thinking that maybe it was direct to the console.
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Unread 03-10-2008, 11:45 AM   #5
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I for one have never used an electric 12-string, but one guy at my church played his once. I was talking to him for a while about it, and how he used it. Basically, he was using a POD XTL, with the JC120 model and just a tad bit of OD and a bit of phaser too. He would occasionally use his wah pedal to get that sort of flanger-ish sound when you slowly bring the pedal up. Not really strumming chords that much, mostly just picking the chords, and it sounded very, very good. I believe he was using this one here.
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I've had a couple of 12 string electrics. I currently have a Hagstrom 12, I basically treat it just like my other guitars, though I do find a little extra compression helps it pop a bit.
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A guy I used to play with used a 12 string ric for P & W and it sounded great. With anything other than mild distortion or clean it sounded rather muddy. (TS9 on fairly high drive sounded muddy, don't make me talk about how a metal zone sounded with it. *shudders*) However, it sounds perfect for what you do.
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My Uncle has a 12 String Yamaha Pacifica its a really nice guitar. He had some active EMG Single coils in it too. It pretty much played anything you wanted it to.
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This one looks purty nice. I think they go for over $500 so it would be a little over your budget. If you are going to want that Ricish sound you will need some toaster pickups though. I've heard that the Godin Radiators sound pretty Ricish; they go for $200 or less used. Too bad they don't make them with 12 strings.
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That Dean Boca looks nice

Lee - is that a vintage Hagstrom? pics?

I'll keep my eye out for a Pacifica 12, that would certainly be another low-budget option.

I do like that Strat 12 too, my body already has a familiarity with strats.

I did have some discussion with an ebay vendor who sells some Korean made Ric 330/12 copies, he just sold the last one, but said he will get some more in. Its not a whole lot over my budget. Being a decent looking fairly close copy of a Ric, it is causing a bit more GAS than some of the other, so therefore the budget goes up proportionally. I attached a pic below:
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Fender makes a strat w/ 12 strings, here.
I played it while at GC. I would fit nicely w/ a bit of overdrive.
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That Dean Boca looks nice

Lee - is that a vintage Hagstrom? pics?

I'll keep my eye out for a Pacifica 12, that would certainly be another low-budget option.

I do like that Strat 12 too, my body already has a familiarity with strats.

I did have some discussion with an ebay vendor who sells some Korean made Ric 330/12 copies, he just sold the last one, but said he will get some more in. Its not a whole lot over my budget. Being a decent looking fairly close copy of a Ric, it is causing a bit more GAS than some of the other, so therefore the budget goes up proportionally. I attached a pic below:
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I don't have pics, and it's kind of in pieces right now. I'm in the process of repairing/refinishing it. The neck is great, kind of shallow and wide for a 12 string. I love the Ric copy you found, I'd snatch it up if you can. Ric pulls those pretty quick usually.
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IMO, an electric 12-string has to have the Ric headstock...everything else looks like puke to me.
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The Ric is a special beast for sure. It must also be the red color.
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The ebay ad for that Ric copy didn't have a picture, and the description was something like "Beatles Liverpool Classic 12 string", and the ad did not even hint that it was a Ric copy.

I emailed him, and he sent me pics. I'm not real crazy about this ax in black either, so then I asked if he had any in a "glo" color, and he said he would be getting some in a month or 2. I attached a pic of that one below. About 100 bux over my original budget, but the GAS is strong....
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