Passion of the Christ.

JerRocks2day · 03-11-2008, 04:01 PM

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I like the movie. I'm not sure what "Catholic mythology" you're referring to, unless you're talking about Satan appearing to Jesus in the garden of gethsamene and Jesus killing the snake. That is highly symbolic, and Jesus killing the serpent (not literally, but figuratively) was foretold in Genesis 3. I think that has more to do with biblical symbolism than catholic mythology

Well, so far there was one scene where there was this little girl that gave Jesus a drink of water when he was being crucified. My mom recognized the moment because she went to Catholic school before she became Protestant/Pentecostal.

There was another scene where Jesus' hand was broken or sprained by a Roman Soldier; of course, which is not true. Does that make the movie a bad movie?...Nope.

**bravesfan007** · 03-11-2008, 04:18 PM

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The Resurrection is not "more important" that the Crucifixion. Yes, the Resurrection is wonderful and ought to be celebrated, but Christ's death is what atoned for our sins and that ought not to be overlooked. Whether or not you "like to think of Jesus in that manner" is between you and God, it has nothing to do with the film. There are many Christians in the world who like to acknowledge and remember Jesus' death.

I'm not saying that it's more important than the Crucifixion and I'm just saying that the majority of those who saw the movie will focus only on the Crucifixion and not the Resurrection. It could be because the Resurrection is barely shown in the movie. I know that without one there isn't the other, but many who saw the movie will think that the Crucifixion is the only thing that Jesus did.

**Sean** · 03-11-2008, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bravesfan007

I'm not saying that it's more important than the Crucifixion and I'm just saying that the majority of those who saw the movie will focus only on the Crucifixion and not the Resurrection. It could be because the Resurrection is barely shown in the movie. I know that without one there isn't the other, but many who saw the movie will think that the Crucifixion is the only thing that Jesus did.

Uhhh not if they watch the end of the film or know anything about the Bible.

**bravesfan007** · 03-11-2008, 04:57 PM

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Uhhh not if they watch the end of the film or know anything about the Bible.

Yes, the end of the film shows the Resurrection, but not in great length. Besides, let's be honest, not everyone who saw the film was a Christian or knew anything about the Bible. I know in my area there were people that saw it who knew only the very basics of the Bible, much less much about the Crucifixion and Resurrection.

TunerSteve · 03-11-2008, 05:03 PM

One of the things I wish Mel would do with this film; make a version with english language dubbed in. I know several people that refuse to see it, becuase of the subtitles and I would guess there could be some illiterate folks that could benefit as well.

**Sean** · 03-11-2008, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bravesfan007

Yes, the end of the film shows the Resurrection, but not in great length. Besides, let's be honest, not everyone who saw the film was a Christian or knew anything about the Bible. I know in my area there were people that saw it who knew only the very basics of the Bible, much less much about the Crucifixion and Resurrection.

I think you're greatly over-estimating the effects of this film, and you're not even mentioning things it added or left out. You're discussing something that was actually in the film.

**bravesfan007** · 03-11-2008, 07:33 PM

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I think you're greatly over-estimating the effects of this film, and you're not even mentioning things it added or left out. You're discussing something that was actually in the film.

Seeing as you feel that way, this will be my last post in this thread.

Demon_Hunter · 03-20-2008, 08:56 PM

I would like to mention a couple of things about this movie that make it far superior to any other "Jesus Film".

1.Because this movie only focuses on the last 12 hours or so of Jesus life the movie doesnt have to run together the entire story of Jesus in to a single 1 1/2 hour film.

2. The movie avoids running together stories about Jesus in ways that dont match the scriptural account (Ive seen several movies that run together stories about Jesus that are greatly seperated events in scripture).

3. Where most movies simiply show Jesus being whipped a couple times and then nailed to a cross, this movie shows the true horrific nature of what Jesus had to go through to redeem us of our sins.

Most movies about Jesus dont show that he had to suffer through some horrible, excruciating event in which he was tortured and brutalized before finally being killed in one of the most horrific ways ever known to man.

It doesnt do the story of Jesus Christ justice to portray his death in the way that most movies do.

Lets face the harsh reality. Jesus was severely beaten and tortured before he was murdered after a farce of a trial, and after a mockery was made of justice. I dont think this movie even comes close to portraying the true suffering that Jesus had to endure. I believe that if even the half of what he had to go through were shown in a film it would easily be banned from most theaters as being too graphic.

The bible records that Jesus was beaten so badly that it would have been hard to tell he was even human. The type of beating he recieved would have left entire chunks of flesh missing from his body, bare bone would have been exposed, probably he would have been close to death just from blood loss. I doubt that many who witnessed his beating (save for the roman gaurds) were able to stomache the sight of it. Even imagining the scene is making it hard to type. Following the flogging he was then detained and beaten and tortured even more, that a crown of thorns was plaed on his head, and he was beaten about the head with rods and fists.
And later he was marched to the sight of his execution carrying his own cross, while be mocked, spit on, and beaten the whole way.

No one can complain that this movie was too graphic. I dont this movie was graphic enough.
It doesnt even show the half of what our Lord and Savior went through to save all of us, sorry, disgusting, wretched sinners from a deserved eternity in hell.

Mattlock · 03-22-2008, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by JerRocks2day

Well, so far there was one scene where there was this little girl that gave Jesus a drink of water when he was being crucified. My mom recognized the moment because she went to Catholic school before she became Protestant/Pentecostal.

There was another scene where Jesus' hand was broken or sprained by a Roman Soldier; of course, which is not true. Does that make the movie a bad movie?...Nope.

Do either you or your mom know what mythology is?

**Sean** · 03-25-2008, 01:25 PM

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Do either you or your mom know what mythology is?

He may have chosen the wrong word, but he's right that there is a clear Catholic bias or slant.

+SEAL+ · 03-25-2008, 02:51 PM

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Well, so far there was one scene where there was this little girl that gave Jesus a drink of water when he was being crucified. My mom recognized the moment because she went to Catholic school before she became Protestant/Pentecostal.

You mean Veronica and the veil? That story was around well before Luther's disagreement with the Roman Catholic Church.

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There was another scene where Jesus' hand was broken or sprained by a Roman Soldier; of course, which is not true. Does that make the movie a bad movie?...Nope.

How would you say it's "not true"? Just because it didn't explicitly appear in the Gospels doesn't mean it never happened.

That said, it did draw a good deal from the Catholic traditions surrounding the Passion of Christ, firstly because that's the tradition that Mel comes from, and secondly because the Catholic faith has the most to say about the Passion than any Christian faith.

I'd also like to remark that I just saw it again, on Good Friday. Wow. That's truly a powerful means of meditation, watching that movie. Downright painful, as well. It makes one think a lot about Christ's sacrifice, how he redeemed mankind. And it only scratches the surface.

JerRocks2day · 03-25-2008, 03:48 PM

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I'd also like to remark that I just saw it again, on Good Friday. Wow. That's truly a powerful means of meditation, watching that movie. Downright painful, as well. It makes one think a lot about Christ's sacrifice, how he redeemed mankind. And it only scratches the surface

I forgot to watch that movie. I accidently watched the Ten Commandments instead. Next opportunity, I'll watch it.