[DaGeek]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americ...tro/index.html

[Mattlock]

That article reeks of American supremicist ideals.

Anyways, that's pretty interesting, though from the looks of it, it won't change anything.

If we're so concerned with the well-being of nations, why don't we repeal the embargo? Wouldn't that help out Cuba's economy a lot?

[comitatus1]

Originally Posted by Mattlock

That article reeks of American supremicist ideals.

Wow, perjorative and unsubstantiated all in one little phrase. Way to go.

If we're so concerned with the well-being of nations, why don't we repeal the embargo? Wouldn't that help out Cuba's economy a lot?

Sure, it would help the communists stay in power.

Chris

[Ax]

Originally Posted by comitatus1

Wow, perjorative and unsubstantiated all in one little phrase. Way to go.

You did read the same article we did right?

Excerpts:
"The resignation ends nearly a half-century of iron-fisted rule"
"Castro reigned in Havana with an iron hand, defying a punishing U.S. economic embargo intended to dislodge him."
"most of the rest of the world concluded that state socialism was a bankrupt idea whose time had come and gone."

It's easy not to see bias when you are yourself biased.

Sure, it would help the communists stay in power.

Chris

Bcawz cahmunizm iz teh devilz nd cahpitulizm iz frm Jesus!

*Edit*

I don't blame you, I actually blame McCarthy and almost 50 years of anti-communist and pro-capitalist propaganda and your growing up in the cold war. I was a baby when the cold war ended as was most of the members here and to be honest, I think we've been able to look at it more objectively, afterall: Hindsight is 20:20.

[Than]

I'm not a communist, but I for one will miss Castro. He's (or maybe just his beard and cigar have) been an icon for over half a century. Let's face it, as far as America is concerned he's pretty harmless at this point. Did he do some bad things? Absolutely. Does this earn him any more revile than any most other world leaders (including our own) deserve? I don't think so. I wonder what's going to happen next. Is his brother Raul going to take power?

I think the embargo is a joke. It hurts the Cuban people, and if we're that pissed off about communism maybe we shouldn't have been heaping tons upon tons of aid to North Korea...or giving weapons to Iran before that. I think it's a hypocritical policy at best.

[Mattlock]

Originally Posted by comitatus1

Sure, it would help the communists stay in power

So what?

[Ridley's Own]

Originally Posted by comitatus1

Sure, it would help the communists stay in power.

Yeah, because the embargo's done so well to hoist the communists out of power...

The embargo provides justification to the communists to continue their repression and keeps key goods out of the hands of the people who have the most to lose by not having it. Scrap it, and the unconstitutional travel ban for US citizens.

[bobthecockroach]

We totally need to lift the embargo. Cuban rum is awesome. Let's hear it for Germany not caring about Cuba's politics!

[Ax]

Originally Posted by bobthecockroach

We totally need to lift the embargo. Cuban rum is awesome. Let's hear it for Germany not caring about Cuba's politics!

Yeah... Too bad Cuban cigars aren't what they used to be. I've heard tale that even real cubans aren't 1/10th as good as they used to be before the cigar rollers fled to other parts of south America. and apparently the tobacco in those aren't quite the same quality.

So.. Plan of action: We incite another revolution by cloning a capitalist version of Che Guevarra, and bring the cigar rollers back to Havana...

[Bryan]

Originally Posted by Mattlock

So what?

so what??!?!? so what??!?! maybe since there hasn't been a single communist country that wasn't a repressive regime!! are you that blind and ignorant? you must be if you don't see the threat that communism poses to the world.

[Than]

I don't see the correlation to the world. It may be repressive, but there's clearly no such domino effect threat to the world. Vietnam is communist. Laos and Thailand aren't. Cuba is, Central and South America largely is not.

[comitatus1]

Originally Posted by AXguitar

You did read the same article we did right?

If you read the one that was linked, then yes...yes we did.

Excerpts:
"The resignation ends nearly a half-century of iron-fisted rule"

That is a factual statement. You have any evidence he didn't?

"Castro reigned in Havana with an iron hand, defying a punishing U.S. economic embargo intended to dislodge him."

Another factual statement.

"most of the rest of the world concluded that state socialism was a bankrupt idea whose time had come and gone."

Another factual statement. Most of the world has indeed concluded that. Even the Chinese have concluded that. That's why they are moving away from it.

I didn't say that the article was perjorative and unsubstantiated, I said Mattlock's characterization of it was. I am growing weary of the "America Sucks" crowd around here.

It's easy not to see bias when you are yourself biased.

Did you come up with that all by yourself? No kidding Ax, just don't kid yourself into thinking you are the only one who sees everything without bias.

Bcawz cahmunizm iz teh devilz nd cahpitulizm iz frm Jesus!

I never said that.

*Edit*

I don't blame you, I actually blame McCarthy and almost 50 years of anti-communist and pro-capitalist propaganda and your growing up in the cold war. I was a baby when the cold war ended as was most of the members here and to be honest, I think we've been able to look at it more objectively, afterall: Hindsight is 20:20.

McCarthy did this country a great service, if in a very blundering and heavy-handed way. The communist threat after WW2 was real. Just ask the people in East Germany, Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia, Poland, China, ...just to name a few. And I don't blame you. You were educated in a liberal infested agenda driven educational system.

You probably have very little true understanding what caused the Cold War to end. You probably think its because the Ruskies just decided they were going to play nice from now on.

Chris

[comitatus1]

Originally Posted by Ridley's Own

Yeah, because the embargo's done so well to hoist the communists out of power...

It has done what it was designed to do...keep the commies on their own little island. They've screwed up their own country but at least they haven't been able to export it anywhere else.

Liberals and communist sympathizers said the same thing about Reagan's defense build up right up to the day the Berlin wall came tumlin' down.

The embargo provides justification to the communists to continue their repression and keeps key goods out of the hands of the people who have the most to lose by not having it. Scrap it, and the unconstitutional travel ban for US citizens.

As if a Communist government needs a reason to oppress its people.

Chris

[comitatus1]

Originally Posted by Mattlock

So what?

Spoken like a true believer in human rights...

Well, for everyone except for the Cubans still on the island...

Chris

[comitatus1]

Originally Posted by Than

I'm not a communist, but I for one will miss Castro. He's (or maybe just his beard and cigar have) been an icon for over half a century. Let's face it, as far as America is concerned he's pretty harmless at this point. Did he do some bad things? Absolutely. Does this earn him any more revile than any most other world leaders (including our own) deserve? I don't think so. I wonder what's going to happen next. Is his brother Raul going to take power?

I think the embargo is a joke. It hurts the Cuban people, and if we're that pissed off about communism maybe we shouldn't have been heaping tons upon tons of aid to North Korea...or giving weapons to Iran before that. I think it's a hypocritical policy at best.

I know what you mean...

I pine for the days of Stalin and Hitler.

Chris