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Old 01-11-2008, 09:43 AM   #1
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Fred Thompson and defense of the Patriot Act
The other day I saw Fred Thompson criticize Ron Paul for wanting to overturn the patriot act and let the prisoners in Gitmo have court dates... I was wondering how many people on CGR actually support this position.

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Support which position? Ron's or Fred's
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I'm sure he's referring to Fred's.
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Well, I sorta agree with Fred, kinda agree with Ron's, and might as well throw in a smidgen of Huckabee in there as well. We'll call it 60-15-25. Or maybe 50 - 20 - 30.
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Old 01-13-2008, 10:27 PM   #5
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I'm actually specifically talking about the denial of Habeas Corpus to our prisoners in Gitmo. Does anybody defend this?
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The other day I saw Fred Thompson criticize Ron Paul for wanting to overturn the patriot act and let the prisoners in Gitmo have court dates... I was wondering how many people on CGR actually support this position.
Where do they find these sick people to run for office? How can anyone want to restrict or eliminate habeas corpus?
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I'm actually specifically talking about the denial of Habeas Corpus to our prisoners in Gitmo. Does anybody defend this?
they aren't prisoners.... they are enemy combatants being detained.
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Where do they find these sick people to run for office? How can anyone want to restrict or eliminate habeas corpus?
well those people in gitmo have no habeus corpus, that was the subject of a previous thread, Democrats tried to get it back in a bill, but it didn't make it.
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they aren't prisoners.... they are enemy combatants being detained.
I think I speak for many when I say... who the hell cares?
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I think I speak for many when I say... who the hell cares?
apparantly our government, because if they aren't prisoners then we don't have to be nice to them. personally, if you are holding me against my will, then I'm a prisoner, it doesn't matter what you call me, and in America, Prisoners have rights, like an attorney or habeas corpus or fair treatment.
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apparantly our government, because if they aren't prisoners then we don't have to be nice to them. personally, if you are holding me against my will, then I'm a prisoner, it doesn't matter what you call me, and in America, Prisoners have rights, like an attorney or habeas corpus or fair treatment.
This was my thought, which made me wonder at your apparent justification based on their classification as detained combatants.
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I think you fellows are confusing the Patriot Act (which I mostly like), with the Military Commissions Act (which deals directly with the issue of Habeas Corpus).
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This was my thought, which made me wonder at your apparent justification based on their classification as detained combatants.
it's not my justification. that's just what the administration says. they aren't POWs they are Enemy Combatants. which is ******** in my opinion. If you 're holding me against my will then I'm a prisoner and prisoners are supposed to have rights in this country. You can call them temporarily detained fairies for all I care.
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I think you fellows are confusing the Patriot Act (which I mostly like), with the Military Commissions Act (which deals directly with the issue of Habeas Corpus).
Perhaps... the Patriot Act is the one which steals the constitutional protection from search and seizure.
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it expands what the government can do under the idea of national security.
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