[bradguitarbeast]

Originally Posted by bobthecockroach

Your reading simply does not hold up to the actual text of the constitution. When citizens alone are being referenced, it is made clear:

"Amendment XV

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude. "

Only citizens have the right to vote. All people, however, have the right to a speedy and public trial.

well in this case.how do you feel about the illegal Mexicans voting?this is yet another area that I support fred.

[Bryan]

they're not citizens, the constitution specifically limits voting rights to citizens. nobody supports illegal immigrants being able to vote.

[Bryan]

Originally Posted by S.B.Nichols

The constitution covers citizens, residents, and visitors on US soil. It does not cover foreign nationals on Cuban soil (Gitmo is leased, not owned)

Um, Gitmo is under the sovereignty of the US and the rights protected by the constitution in texas apply just as well to Gitmo.

[Ax]

I don't understand how you can turn a blind eye to detaining people without giving them a right to a trial. Let me pose this to you, does it outrage you when U.S. citizens are held hostage by terrorists?


How is this any different?

[S.B.Nichols]

Originally Posted by Bryan

Um, Gitmo is under the sovereignty of the US and the rights protected by the constitution in texas apply just as well to Gitmo.

Of course, I oversimplified it a bit, but like it or not, that is the justification for suspending certain things, and the reasoning has stood up in court. (Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, for example)

Originally Posted by AXguitar

I don't understand how you can turn a blind eye to detaining people without giving them a right to a trial. Let me pose this to you, does it outrage you when U.S. citizens are held hostage by terrorists?


How is this any different?

It's actually very different. We don't take hostages, and we don't end up cutting their heads off, putting the video on the internet for all the world to see a loved one's horrific death.

[bobthecockroach]

Originally Posted by S.B.Nichols

Of course, I oversimplified it a bit, but like it or not, that is the justification for suspending certain things, and the reasoning has stood up in court. (Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, for example)

That hardly makes it right. The courts screw things up all the time. The constitution should balance them out, but we ignore it all the time.

[S.B.Nichols]

Whether it is right or wrong is a matter of opinion, and you can express that opinion by voting for Paul.

I'd be all for bringing them to American soil if they can be detained in Maricopa county.

[bobthecockroach]

Originally Posted by S.B.Nichols

Whether it is right or wrong is a matter of opinion, and you can express that opinion by voting for Paul.

In this case, what's right or wrong is a matter of what's constitutional, since the constitution is the main law of the US.

[S.B.Nichols]

Well, again, the courts have ruled it is constitutional.

[bradguitarbeast]

Originally Posted by bobthecockroach

That hardly makes it right. The courts screw things up all the time. The constitution should balance them out, but we ignore it all the time.

your right according to the constitution they should be put to death right away.

[bobthecockroach]

Originally Posted by bradguitarbeast

your right according to the constitution they should be put to death right away.

Eh? Cite, please.

[Ax]

Originally Posted by S.B.Nichols

It's actually very different. We don't take hostages, and we don't end up cutting their heads off, putting the video on the internet for all the world to see a loved one's horrific death.

May I please, bring to your attention the Iranian Hostage Situation.

Originally Posted by S.B.Nichols

Well, again, the courts have ruled it is constitutional.

Constitutionally, the courts don't have the power to rule anything constitutional or not constitutional so I'd say that they have very little grasp on Constitutionality.

Originally Posted by bobthecockroach

Eh? Cite, please.

Here here!

[JerryLove]

Originally Posted by S.B.Nichols

It's actually very different. We don't take hostages, and we don't end up cutting their heads off, putting the video on the internet for all the world to see a loved one's horrific death.

Are you asseting it's better because the videos of dead people at Abu Graib were not of decapitations?

[S.B.Nichols]

Originally Posted by bradguitarbeast

your right according to the constitution they should be put to death right away.

I like it when some one says something to take attention off of me.

Originally Posted by AXguitar

May I please, bring to your attention the Iranian Hostage Situation.

Are you calling Iran a terrorist organization? Interesting. The Iranian guard, maybe, but the entire country of Iran. I have to assume you're talking about the event a year or two ago where Iran captured British sailors it said was in their water. They decided to surrender instead of potentially starting a war. They let it play out on the international stage. They were allowed to be seen by social workers and get messages (although, I'll agree doctored messages) out to their families.

The terrorists in Iraq capture you, beat you senseless, make you beg for your life on camera, then cut your head off with a steak knife.

It's a very different thing.

Originally Posted by AXguitar

Constitutionally, the courts don't have the power to rule anything constitutional or not constitutional so I'd say that they have very little grasp on Constitutionality.

No, they got the power to resolve disputes. One side says it's constitutional, one side says it's not. That was a dispute and they ruled. It's also worth pointing out that federal courts decide issues of constitutionality all the time.

[JerryLove]

Originally Posted by S.B.Nichols

I have to assume you're talking about the event a year or two ago where Iran captured British sailors it said was in their water.

Those who don't know history... probably don't know how to finish that sentance either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis