[Napoleon17]

Originally Posted by slap_j

But gay sex isn't the same thing as homosexuality, is it?

The definition of homosexuality is: "sexual desire or behavior directed toward a person or persons of one's own sex."

I think the word can be used to refer to both.

[slap_j]

Originally Posted by Napoleon17

I think the word can be used to refer to both.

Alright, but how were you using it? To refer to a sexual orientation or to a specific sexual act?

[Napoleon17]

Originally Posted by tht00

I think he can and does. It's simply that you can't attribute every bad action or event as a 'judgement'. Period.

So... you agree with me, that Falwell may have been correct?

Originally Posted by tht00

Around 38,000 people died in US traffic accidents last year. Or consider the estimated US 500,000 cancer deaths per year -- that's around 1500 people per day. In two days, more people die in America from cancer than died in the 9/11 attacks.

Are you going to suggest that these people were cursed (or 'judged') by God? Do you see how ridiculous the original supposition is becoming?

I think it's very possible that some of these people are being judged by God. Why is that ridiculous? Just a moment ago you said "I think He can and does".

Originally Posted by tht00

So... what are you suggesting? That we convert the homosexuals and pagans? Yeah... that's been working well...

I'm simply saying that Falwell was not just focusing on the sin of homosexuality as the sole reason for any and all of God's judgment everywhere. He also mentioned the sin of paganism, which is basically what the reason was for God commanding the Israelites to kill entire nations. This idea that Falwell hates gay people and thinks that every bad thing that has ever happened is a result of gay people having sex with each other is preposterous. He said that homosexuals and pagans were being judged by God. Homosexuals and pagans have been judged by God in the past. Therefore, Falwell may have been correct and he is not just hating on gays because he's a homophobe or something, as the liberal media would have you believe.

Originally Posted by tht00

What I've been saying is that this nation has committed far worse treasons than crossing a few moral lines. How many families and lives have we destroyed in needless war in the last 100 years?

How is needless war any different than the sin of paganism, or homosexuality, in the end? All are sin, all are condemned by God, and He has every right to punish America for whatever sin He chooses to punish America for. Why trash Falwell because he left out a few thousand sins and only focused on a couple (homosexuality and paganism)? He still could be right! That is my entire point! You can't hate someone simply because they said something that may or may not have been right... that makes absolutely no sense.

Originally Posted by tht00

Besides, take a look at some other nations -- there have been quite a few that have legalized same-sex marriages, and they haven't been struck down (Canada, Spain, Netherlands, etc, etc). Note -- I'm not advocating the legalization of same-sex marriage. I'm simply trying to offer some perspective other than this "Christian" bigotry that is all too common.

So God hasn't struck down other nations for their sins, that means that God hasn't struck down this nation for our sins.... that is not good logic at all. Maybe in the next hundred years some terrible judgment will come upon another nation that has legalized same-sex marriage. Maybe God won't do that. We don't know.

Similar cases can be made from the Bible.. taking one verse here and there, and I'm certain you wouldn't agree with the connotations of said verses. So... why are you doing the same thing to the Koran?

How are you certain that I wouldn't agree with the connotations of certain verses? Maybe I do agree with some connotations. For example, in the Old Testament, when God orders the Isrealites to kill all the pagans in a certain locale, I am not going to sit there, read that, and pretend that God is a God of peace all the time, and that somehow that verse is being taken out of context. That would be ridiculous. But that's what Muslims do all the time when they read verses that explicitly instruct them to kill those who do not believe in Allah.

If you're going to be critical of one religion/holy book, you have to be similarly critical of your own.

I'm not being critical of the Koran. I'm simply reading what it says.

[Bryan]

you could have just as easily split it to another thread.

[slap_j]

Originally Posted by AXguitar

Kablam! All off topicness has been bahleeted.

Could you restore my last two responses to Jerry? Those definately weren't off-topic.

[Napoleon17]

Originally Posted by Bryan

you could have just as easily split it to another thread.

Yeah. Definitely.

[Fandrew]

Originally Posted by Bryan

you could have just as easily split it to another thread.

Originally Posted by slap_j

Could you restore my last two responses to Jerry? Those definately weren't off-topic.

Originally Posted by Napoleon17

Yeah. Definitely.

While the discussion was off topic in the original thread, it is indeed a valid discussion and has been split to here.

Now, continue, and play nice.

[slap_j]

Originally Posted by JayCarrfan

While the discussion was off topic in the original thread, it is indeed a valid discussion and has been split to here.

Now, continue, and play nice.

Thanks for the thread split n' stuff, but I think the posts concerning Ron Paul's views on religion and social security should be in the other thread.

[Fandrew]

Originally Posted by slap_j

Thanks for the thread split n' stuff, but I think the posts concerning Ron Paul's views on religion and social security should be in the other thread.

I'm gonna keep the religion ones here. It really fits better here. However, the social security posts are in the other thread...

[Mattlock]

Originally Posted by JerryLove

So would you support "In Satan we trust" on the money (actually, *that* one might be appropriate ), "One Nation Under Goddess" in the pledge and swearing on a Quran in court?

Actually, I see where you're going with this, and I think that it makes sense.

[Ax]

Actually, I deleted it because it was off topic, and heading down a bad flaming road. It's also borderline libelous, and basically the majority of us ganking up on one poster. If Fandrew agrees to monitor this I'll let it live, but I wash my hands of it.