Mike Huckabee

tht00 · 12-22-2007, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RipVanWinkle

He's got my support.

I've heard him speak at a few Christian Conferences in the past. He really has a heart for God and is an honest guy. Perhaps he's all talk (I hope not though), but if a president of our country truly bases his decisions on what the will of God is, that would be incredible

Sorry... but I don't buy it. He may be a great guy, strong Christian, and even a good leader, but that isn't everything needed to be president.

The idea of a preemptive strike on Iran? How is that even Christian? What about Iraq? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I83HemmLEGg Oh Noes! They all want to kill us!!

Does anyone even question the how/why? Does anyone realize that terrorism is the direct result our middle east intervention over the years? Of course not. Why do we promote war over any other fix? Does anyone acknowledge the destruction upon Iraq that we're responsible for? America has upwards of a million Iraqi deaths on its hands. They have a reason to hate us!

But alas, what was I thinking? They want to kill us. We should kill them first. That'll show 'em we're Christian!!!1

TunerSteve · 12-22-2007, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wjarmusch

I guess this is kinda my mindset. He seems to be a strong man of God, with good morals.
For some reason he seems to be getting attacked massively. I haven't really seen anything that convinces me otherwise yet.

I mean, sure, he's not perfect...but if the choice was him over say Rudy Guliani, or Barak Obama (SP?), or Hillary Clinton, or John McCain I'd take him anyday. I'm leaning towards him over Ron Paul also.

Sort of my thinking as well, although I havent researched all the candidates just yet. Plenty of time yet.

What about party tickets Huckabee/Paul? Paul/Huckabee? I know... too many choices yet.

tht00 · 12-22-2007, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by wjarmusch

I guess this is kinda my mindset. He seems to be a strong man of God, with good morals.
For some reason he seems to be getting attacked massively. I haven't really seen anything that convinces me otherwise yet.

I mean, sure, he's not perfect...but if the choice was him over say Rudy Guliani, or Barak Obama (SP?), or Hillary Clinton, or John McCain I'd take him anyday. I'm leaning towards him over Ron Paul also.

Oh, I forgot to mention his iffy-political dealings.

Release of rapist:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/1...e_n_75362.html

Gifts? Doesn't this seem... strange?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pRDxY42BpU

He's criticized for a reason... his actions have made him a big target and by making himself out to being the "Christian" candidate, it really doesn't look too good.

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Originally Posted by TunerSteve

What about party tickets Huckabee/Paul? Paul/Huckabee? I know... too many choices yet.

Seriously? I don't think these two agree on anything.

JerryLove · 12-22-2007, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RipVanWinkle

I've heard him speak at a few Christian Conferences in the past. He really has a heart for God and is an honest guy. Perhaps he's all talk (I hope not though), but if a president of our country truly bases his decisions on what the will of God is, that would be incredible

Where have I heard this before?

Ahh yes, Bin Lauden and his followers keep saying it.

So did Jim Jones.

JerryLove · 12-22-2007, 04:22 PM

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I guess this is kinda my mindset. He seems to be a strong man of God, with good morals.
For some reason he seems to be getting attacked massively. I haven't really seen anything that convinces me otherwise yet.

I mean, sure, he's not perfect...but if the choice was him over say Rudy Guliani, or Barak Obama (SP?), or Hillary Clinton, or John McCain I'd take him anyday. I'm leaning towards him over Ron Paul also.

Jim Jones seemed to be a strong man of God, and Pat Robertson, David Korresh, John Smith, and most of the Taliban.

Of course some disagree, as they have a different standard than others, but all were considered very godly by a large number of people, and all felt they were.

ApparentlyNothing · 12-22-2007, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by thesteve

From what I understand, under the War Powers Act, the President has that kind of power for up to 90 days. Whether or not that Act is constitutional is debated, but regardless, it has been a presidential right since 1973.

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Originally Posted by Bryan

it is not unconstitutional for the president to take military action without congress' approval. it is unconstitutional for him to wage war without approval. there is a difference between a precision strike against a site that is being used for nuclear research and manufacturing and deploying tens of thousands of troops to take over Iran.

I'll admit, I'm not huge into politics, and the War Powers Act is something I don't know much about. However I'm open to learning more.

With that in mind, I still don't like it. It doesn't seem constitutional to me at all, even though it may currently be legal. With this power, it just seems entirely plausible for a president to command a series of attacks for 90 days without congressional approval and wind up in a state similar to Iraq where the nation we attack is left in a state of chaos and our leaving would put it in a worse state than before we attacked. It would almost force Congress to approve it after the 90 days lest we be seen as an even worse irresponsible nation, and potentially putting us in another Iraq situation. And the last thing we need is another Iraq.

Even if Huckabee never said that, I still have plenty more reasons to not like the man. I don't really doubt the man's sincerity all that much..... but I don't really doubt Bush's either.

bowstaff981 · 12-23-2007, 12:57 PM

I can see what you're saying about the power that the War Powers Act gives the President is quite questionable, however I like what Huckabee says in the video that apparentlynothing posted that if all that's happening in Congress is politics (which is what's going on in Congress probably 90% of the time) then somebody needs to be able to say this needs to get done now and I'm going to do it. I don't care if you're Paul, Clinton, or Obama, that is a very good point.

JerryLove · 12-23-2007, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bowstaff981

I can see what you're saying about the power that the War Powers Act gives the President is quite questionable, however I like what Huckabee says in the video that apparentlynothing posted that if all that's happening in Congress is politics (which is what's going on in Congress probably 90% of the time) then somebody needs to be able to say this needs to get done now and I'm going to do it. I don't care if you're Paul, Clinton, or Obama, that is a very good point.

Like a dictator?

bowstaff981 · 12-23-2007, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JerryLove

Like a dictator?

Did I say dictator? Did I even say that I agreed with the War Powers Act? Did I say that I agreed with Huckabee? No, I said that he had a good point.

JerryLove · 12-23-2007, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bowstaff981

Did I say dictator? Did I even say that I agreed with the War Powers Act? Did I say that I agreed with Huckabee? No, I said that he had a good point.

I believe I quoted what you said:

"if all that's happening in Congress is politics (which is what's going on in Congress probably 90% of the time) then somebody needs to be able to say this needs to get done now and I'm going to do it."

Someone who can act without congress or any other body... like a dictator.

tht00 · 12-25-2007, 12:18 AM

Heh. Another completely inappropriate comment from Huck.

http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=p-2Sb7dFsvM

RawkforChrist · 12-25-2007, 12:49 AM

Seeing as I've known Mike Huckabee all my life as the Arkansas Governor (I mean he's the only one I remember)
I've see things that I've liked and things that I haven't liked.....
What he has done in the schools has been pretty good....
some people think it was extreme.....but it has invoked change and made for healthier kids
he has grown progressively liberal through the years......his last four years as governor included the adding of more taxes then I think we had seen through all of his years previous in office (don't quote me on that though.....because this is all coming from what I remember)
Since he became governor he frequented our church's pulpit very often. I have had the chance to be there for one such occasion when he spoke and he spoke about how God wanted us to live healthy and how his book about it could help you see it better.......(oh yes out promoting a book by preaching on a Sunday night)
Honestly though.......he doesn't have my vote
heck no one has my vote I turn 18 alittle bit more than 10 days after the election.......
what irony
But honestly for me, I can see him in a viable position for President.....
I would vote for him at this point
(if I could)
True he might not have the brightest opinions on certain issues
but at least he doesn't believe in legalized abortions
among other things......
he's probably gonna make some choices that we as the people don't agree with
(but who has done everything that everyone has agreed with?)

I'll probably have more to add as things go along....

Mattlock · 12-25-2007, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by tht00

Heh. Another completely inappropriate comment from Huck.

http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=p-2Sb7dFsvM

That's even worse than what's in my signature...

Mattlock · 12-25-2007, 08:18 AM

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True he might not have the brightest opinions on certain issues
but at least he doesn't believe in legalized abortions
among other things......

That's the least of our country's worries right now. In fact, that's not even a real issue.

**Chrysostom** · 12-28-2007, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by bowstaff981

It's important to remember that the Republican party is playing defense in this election; they're going to nominate the person that can win the election for them, whether he holds all the republican values true or not.

Huckabee is the worst possible choice if the Republicans want to win. Giuliani, Romney, and Paul are the only ones who can win. Giuliani because he's centrist enough and he's from NYC. Romney because he's so unbelievably pretty and he's great at doublespeak. Paul because he breaks the blue/red mold and owns the large anti-war demographic. Huckabee combines all the worst parts of the left with extremely divisive far-right social posturing, which means that he will lose every state with much of an urban population. At this point I don't know if Clinton or Obama is more likely to win it for the Democrats -- Clinton's downside being that she is female and a really horrible person, Obama's being his race and lower experience -- but I think both stand with about equal chances in the election (Clinton obviously having an edge in the primary).