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Old 09-20-2007, 12:15 PM   #1
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Senate fails to reinstate Habius Corpus
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Old 09-20-2007, 12:36 PM   #2
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Yeah, I'd say that's kind of an important thing to have.
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the fundamental constitutional right of individuals to challenge government detention,
where is that in the constitution?
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Old 09-20-2007, 01:21 PM   #4
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where is that in the constitution?
Article I, section 9
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The way I'm reading this, this means that the government reserves the right to detain anyone for an unspecified amount of time without a trial. Is that right?

That is not good.
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Also article 4 IIRC

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The way I'm reading this, this means that the government reserves the right to detain anyone for an unspecified amount of time without a trial. Is that right?
Yep.

Not just "the government" either. One single individual, with no oversight, no check or balance, and no right to appeal to the judiciary.
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Old 09-21-2007, 12:37 AM   #7
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... That's terrible... And for those of you who blamed everything on Republican's, the Senate is controlled by Democrats. However, I'm not super-surprised, nothing the senate does has made sense for years.
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Old 09-21-2007, 12:49 AM   #8
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If only we could all get on a boat and leave this country of tyranny and start a new coun... oh wait
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Eh, when it really starts to happen to law abiding American Citizens I'll make a stink over it. Mostly, though, these changes are being made to warrant detaining immigrants who appear to be a threat.

I'm not too worried. Though Europe has always looked appealing to me.
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Eh, when it really starts to happen to law abiding American Citizens I'll make a stink over it. Mostly, though, these changes are being made to warrant detaining immigrants who appear to be a threat.

I'm not too worried. Though Europe has always looked appealing to me.
This is an erosion of civil liberties. You're not concerned about that?
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Eh, when it really starts to happen to law abiding American Citizens I'll make a stink over it. Mostly, though, these changes are being made to warrant detaining immigrants who appear to be a threat.

I'm not too worried. Though Europe has always looked appealing to me.
It's a thin line between American Citizen and Legal Immigrant.
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Eh, when it really starts to happen to law abiding American Citizens I'll make a stink over it. Mostly, though, these changes are being made to warrant detaining immigrants who appear to be a threat.
How do you know that it has not?

I suppose if it were only happening to the Jews, gypsies, and homosexuals...
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Too bad free land for settlement doesn't really exist anymore.
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Eh, when it really starts to happen to law abiding American Citizens I'll make a stink over it. Mostly, though, these changes are being made to warrant detaining immigrants who appear to be a threat.
Well, the problem is, there is nothing really stopping an individual person from detaining you. I would liketo believe that this is a cause worth being proactive about rather than being reactive and waiting for something to happen.
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How do you know that it has not?

I suppose if it were only happening to the Jews, gypsies, and homosexuals...
Godwin's Law
Although in this case, you're surprisingly relevant.
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Too bad free land for settlement doesn't really exist anymore.
We could just take over Canada .


Now, this is my question that I must have missed the answer to in the article: Does this mean we no longer have habeas corpus, and that I could be detained for no reason for an unspecified amount of time without trial right now?


EDIT: Also, if it's part of a Constitutional right, why must it be restored? Shouldn't it be a given/assumed right that can't be taken away? I haven't taken Government yet, so that kinda befuddles me.
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Godwin's Law
Although in this case, you're surprisingly relevant.
Godwin's Law does not apply to discussions directly addressing genocide, propaganda, or other mainstays of the Nazi regime (in this case, it seems on-point). Also, I didn't actually mention Nazis so much as frequently disenfranchized groups (though, of course, the Nazis did pick on those).

Finally, the "they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew" seemed emminately appropriate, which would be what I was actually referncing (though it, in turn, referenced Nazis).
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