[leiarose]

Originally Posted by MattSlope

I was told my entire life that alcohol was evil. Not getting drunk, not being tipsy, and certainly not driving drunk. No, alcohol was the villain here. When I started drinking I discovered that 2 or 3 beers not only tasted good, but didn't harken the wrath of our good Lord. I still believe that had I been taught tolerance, I'd likely have spent much less time testing the boundaries.

I imagine a lot of (homeschooled) people could say this. I certainly agree.

[SecretAgentRat]

Originally Posted by MattSlope

I was told my entire life that alcohol was evil. Not getting drunk, not being tipsy, and certainly not driving drunk. No, alcohol was the villain here. When I started drinking I discovered that 2 or 3 beers not only tasted good, but didn't harken the wrath of our good Lord. I still believe that had I been taught tolerance, I'd likely have spent much less time testing the boundaries.

I completely agree. However, not everyone living under such restrains do test the boundaries, some are content to live without and it is they who often find themselves in a bind as they grow older and are thrust into the world without the developed thought to make their own decisions and form their own beliefs. Values and beliefs are learned from the culture that surrounds us, and when one lives in a very limited culture and suddenly find themselves in the "real world" you either get the person who tests the limits, or is viewed as an ignorant recluse.

And on the flip side you have the adult who was never taught boundaries, who was never taught moderation; a world where everything is okay and acceptable and whose morals and values are weak. (All of these being extreme cases, of course)

The middle ground is ideal. Unfortunately, parents and systems of education are imperfect so there will always be the balancing act between the two extremes, with each thinking the other is ridiculous and never seeing the faults that lie within their own.

[natedawg5280]

Originally Posted by SecretAgentRat

Similarly, you can take how the public school system approaches certain topics (the Theory of Evolution is one) and teaches it without giving more than one side to an issue. Obviously, as with homeschooling, this is not always the case, but it can be; the kids know only what they were taught from a biased point of view, just like their homeschooled peers.

Raise your kids to believe in creation. When they understand creation, how are they going to believe in the big bang or anything? All ideas other then creation just do not add up. (Read Darwin's Black Box) Micro evolution works, but macro evolution is pretty ridiculous. If you raise your kids right and they are a little intelligent then there is nothing wrong with them being taught biasedly about evolution in school. It's only strengthened my faith, and caused me to be more skeptical about the stuff they teach; it's led me to further investigate things for myself.

[SecretAgentRat]

Originally Posted by natedawg5280

Raise your kids to believe in creation. When they understand creation, how are they going to believe in the big bang or anything? All ideas other then creation just do not add up. (Read Darwin's Black Box) Micro evolution works, but macro evolution is pretty ridiculous. If you raise your kids right and they are a little intelligent then there is nothing wrong with them being taught biasedly about evolution in school. It's only strengthened my faith, and caused me to be more skeptical about the stuff they teach; it's led me to further investigate things for myself.

But it doesn't have that affect on everyone.
And I'm not neccissarily referring to kids who get "extra curricular" teaching in the home. I've known many kids who went through a government run school system who had never heard any teaching other than Evolution because that is what was taught in the schools, and their parents didn't educate them otherwise, or who were unaware of the other "theories" themselves.

Anyway, simply understanding how Creation (Intelligent Design) works is no guarantee that a person will not believe Evolution, because it supports a Creator and that Creator is most commonly known as God--which is a major turn off for non-believers from the get go.

[Nate]

Originally Posted by MattSlope

Interesting. Do you find that your sense of self involves your place in community?

Yes. Absolutely. I'm not even sure that I could arrive at any meaningful "sense of self" that did not involve my place in family, community, society, and relationships in general. I think it's very sad that anyone can.

[natedawg5280]

Originally Posted by SecretAgentRat

But it doesn't have that affect on everyone.
And I'm not neccissarily referring to kids who get "extra curricular" teaching in the home. I've known many kids who went through a government run school system who had never heard any teaching other than Evolution because that is what was taught in the schools, and their parents didn't educate them otherwise, or who were unaware of the other "theories" themselves.

I'm talking about homeschooling in a Christian home. Don't most Christian parents instruct their kids about their beliefs? (Creation is pretty important, and thusly would be taught to the children) Public schools should not be always viewed through the worst of scenarios either... I think we should realize that coupled with good parenting, public schools are fine. I am very glad that I was homeschooled up through public school, for it has helped me become who I am, yet, I'm not sure homeschooling is the best option all of the time.

Originally Posted by SAR

Anyway, simply understanding how Creation (Intelligent Design) works is no guarantee that a person will not believe Evolution, because it supports a Creator and that Creator is most commonly known as God--which is a major turn off for non-believers from the get go.

If a person is not willing to accept God then it doesn't matter if they believe in evolution or are homeschooled or not.

[SecretAgentRat]

Originally Posted by natedawg5280

I'm talking about homeschooling in a Christian home.

I'm talking about education in general.

Don't most Christian parents instruct their kids about their beliefs? (Creation is pretty important, and thusly would be taught to the children)

Not all Christian parents do or are good at it, and not all Christians believe in the same "method" of Creation.

Public schools should not be always viewed through the worst of scenarios either... I think we should realize that coupled with good parenting, public schools are fine.

I never said otherwise.

I am very glad that I was homeschooled up through public school, for it has helped me become who I am, yet, I'm not sure homeschooling is the best option all of the time.

The same can be said for any method of education.

I don't think we're on the same page in this discussion. I'm not bashing either method of teaching. What I've been attempting to say is that neither is completely right, while neither is completely wrong. Both have their faults. That is all I have been trying to say--I'm just not very concise.

If a person is not willing to accept God then it doesn't matter if they believe in evolution or are homeschooled or not.

Spiritually, no. Intellectually, it plays a role in the development of their worldview.

[monkeysmile]

lol i homeskoold and im smart!1 lolz! wr not all dum!

I'm homeschooled and have no social problems. I actully find it the other way around. When I try talking to the guys I play hockey with they turn pale and mumble something about the weather.
I've also been educated on both creation and evolution, I wasn't just force fed creation through the years. I'm very glad I have been homeschooled, I belive the education level is higher(At least in my house), and I've also had much more time to put into guitar.

P.S
99% of the homeschoolers I know don't wear denim jumpers.

[natedawg5280]

Originally Posted by SecretAgentRat

I don't think we're on the same page in this discussion. I'm not bashing either method of teaching. What I've been attempting to say is that neither is completely right, while neither is completely wrong. Both have their faults. That is all I have been trying to say--I'm just not very concise.

Naw, you were probably concise enough, I just enjoy debating.

Originally Posted by Monkeysmile

I'm homeschooled and have no social problems. I actully find it the other way around. When I try talking to the guys I play hockey with they turn pale and mumble something about the weather.
I've also been educated on both creation and evolution, I wasn't just force fed creation through the years. I'm very glad I have been homeschooled, I belive the education level is higher(At least in my house), and I've also had much more time to put into guitar.

True. Probably the reason homeschooling originally stunted my social development so much was because my father was very antisocial, and my mom was overprotective at the same time. The combination of that meant that until I was about 9 I had no friends. It made me and my siblings very close, but interacting with others was extremely awkward. And then when I jumped into public school, it was such a sudden transition that it was rough on my system. I adjusted, and now have friends and a normal social life, but the way I was raised did stunt my social development.

[Gods*Armygirl]

This thread is getting to smart for me.