[Bryan]

Originally Posted by AXguitar

I'm honestly sick and tired of Neo-Cons ruining the GOP and giving it a bad name. In fact, there are so many of them in the Republican party that it's hardly Grand or Old anymore and if that's what republicans continue to choose we wont be partying ever again.

It drives me crazy that these nuts, like Mr. Bush, can honestly stand on an increased spending platform that wants to cut taxes at the same time. I'm all for tax cuts, I don't think anybody would choose not to keep more of their paychecks, but you can't spend when you cut taxes.

well there is a time to cut taxes and raise spending, that would be during times of recession, but what they don't do is realize there is a time to raise taxes and cut spending, during times of inflation. I am for a much more efficient form of government, like simplifying our tax code and gutting the IRS down to a bare minimum. We have so many intelligence agencies, it is rediculous. We have the CIA, the NSA, the DHS, the DOD. Honestly, they should all be part of the same group. There is too much redundancy in our government. Sorry for the rant.

Another thing is that they're in this mindset that the forefathers founded us as a Christian nation that bans all other religions... which is completely false. Our founding fathers believed in God, followed God, and trusted him, even mentioned him in the constitution, declaration of independance and so forth, but in addition to (not in spite of) they ratified the first amendments in the bill of rights.

I think you are exaggerating here.

I love their "non-hypocrtical" stance on family rights and their ignoring the fact that, despite their totalitarian rule, the divorce rates in america continue to rise, not that they stay married long anyways.

didn't realize we were under totalitarian rule.

And finally, look at what they've done to the Republican name... It's sickening... Republican is now synomymous with the basic and total finger-giving to human rights, imperialism, and scandal. How ****ing sad.

how exactly are we imperialists? The only country we've invaded is Iraq and Afghanistan and our goal is to get them stable and then leave. That's hardly imperialism.

IIRC the Republican party was originally for human rights, mainly anti-slavery, and now look at Gitmo.

Yes, there are bad things at Gitmo, but it isn't just the Republicans that are supporting them I bet.

Because of Bush and the "moral majority" and other similar groups, we may never see another true-republican candidate.

Screw Bush.

that's hardly a Christian attitude.

[Ax]

Originally Posted by Bryan

well there is a time to cut taxes and raise spending, that would be during times of recession, but what they don't do is realize there is a time to raise taxes and cut spending, during times of inflation. I am for a much more efficient form of government, like simplifying our tax code and gutting the IRS down to a bare minimum. We have so many intelligence agencies, it is rediculous. We have the CIA, the NSA, the DHS, the DOD. Honestly, they should all be part of the same group. There is too much redundancy in our government. Sorry for the rant.

I know this, but we are not in a time where we have the money to spend nor the prospects to put it on credit.

I think you are exaggerating here.

You should hear some of the drivel I've heard preached.

didn't realize we were under totalitarian rule.

It's an exaggerated comment of my distaste for the invasive nature of the president's rule. I do, however, realize that Bush isn't the first to do this, but it still doesn't make it right.

how exactly are we imperialists? The only country we've invaded is Iraq and Afghanistan and our goal is to get them stable and then leave. That's hardly imperialism.

We have troops stationed in over 130 countries. Bush and the NeoCons have no intention of leaving Iraq or Afghanistan and we're fighting in a losing manner in a country where our presence is long overstayed.

Yes, there are bad things at Gitmo, but it isn't just the Republicans that are supporting them I bet.

It's not all republicans either. It's these neocons...

that's hardly a Christian attitude.

Neither is using fear and force to spread our way of life and invading countries that haven't wronged us.

[Bryan]

Originally Posted by AXguitar

It's an exaggerated comment of my distaste for the invasive nature of the president's rule. I do, however, realize that Bush isn't the first to do this, but it still doesn't make it right.

it's not just Bush or the neocons. It was all of congress when the patriot act was passed. It was a democratically controlled congress recently that passed law allowing more secret wire tapping. Many of our contries leaders from both sides of the aisle are passing legislation that is infringing on freedoms.

We have troops stationed in over 130 countries.

that doesn't make us imperialists. In most of the countries we have bases we are welcomed there, because when there is a problem in the world, the world often looks to the US to solve it.

Bush and the NeoCons have no intention of leaving Iraq or Afghanistan

do you have proof of this? Because they have said time and time again that we will leave when the job is finished and there is a stable Iraq and Afghanistan. Granted, he isn't willing to commit to a time table and I wish he would, but I certainly don't believe that he plans on staying forever.

and we're fighting in a losing manner in a country where our presence is long overstayed.

there are other people who think otherwise. I think it is time to start pulling out, personally, and more and more people in government are starting to think the same as well.

It's not all republicans either. It's these neocons...

it's not just republicans, there are democrats too.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Bryan

It was a democratically controlled congress recently that passed law allowing more secret wire tapping.

Excuse the minor freakout, but..are you ****ing kidding me? Where can I find the text of the bill, when did this occur, and how many/what Democratic supporters did it have? This makes me honestly ashamed that I've not been paying attention to politics as much over the last year. If this is true and there were a decent number of Democratic supporters for it, that pretty much seals the deal for me and I am supporting Ron Paul's campaign to the fullest extent that I possibly can. This country needs a drastic change, badly.

[Fandrew]

So, Ax, in your opinion, is the recent clamoring for the Republican Party to Return to Reaganism a step in the right direction?

[Ax]

Originally Posted by JayCarrfan

So, Ax, in your opinion, is the recent clamoring for the Republican Party to Return to Reaganism a step in the right direction?

No. Reganism was good for the times and a quick fix for the waning economy and the people losing faith in the government. It, however, was short term and if we get another Reganaut then we'll be in the same damn spot again.

We need a more permanent fix this time, somebody who will put the government back in it's place, fix the economy, and restore our image amoung the world. Reganism was all about outsourcing and that's one of the reasons that our economy is in such bad shape. America is no longer independant and that's what we need to return to.

[slap_j]

Originally Posted by Danny

Excuse the minor freakout, but..are you ****ing kidding me?

This is all I know about it off hand:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIgjhqdP0x0

[normajean777]

Originally Posted by AXguitar

No. Reganism was good for the times and a quick fix for the waning economy and the people losing faith in the government. It, however, was short term and if we get another Reganaut then we'll be in the same damn spot again.

We need a more permanent fix this time, somebody who will put the government back in it's place, fix the economy, and restore our image amoung the world. Reganism was all about outsourcing and that's one of the reasons that our economy is in such bad shape. America is no longer independant and that's what we need to return to.

Last time I checked the economy has had a nice 5-6 year bull market with high GDP growth, surging tax revenue, and real personal incomes have grown about 1% higher annually than with Clinton.

Now we will enter a bear market (as to what my prediction is). Subprime loans have crashed, but they aren't a disaster. The American economy will experience cyclical weakness, but it is normal. America does not have an economy that is in bad shape.

Trade deficits have no impact on economies. Independence is a viewpoint. We are interdependent and that has created a higher quality of life for consumers at a cheaper price. The tax cuts are something that has really helped this great run (dividends were raised over 100%, for one thing), and they are largely credited for the superb growth. One of the only problems was the governments spending. They should be creating a smaller government, not expanding it more.

Once the government can sustain order and security in the society, it should not expand anymore. Everything else, social programs, etc. are not topics that the government should deal with.

It would be nice if Reaganists controlled the GOP again. Its sick what goes on. But its mainly bi-partisan, so we can't blame only Republicans. They are all influenced by lobbyists (basically snakes), and they all agreed (for the most part) on issues like WMDs in Iraq.

*Edited by JayCarrfan*