[Stealth3si]

Is this pastor's interpretation of Revelations accurate? I think he's seventh-day adventist.

[Bryan]

what is his interpretation?

[JerRocks2day]

Is this pastor's interpretation of Revelations accurate? I think he's seventh-day adventist.

I think that Seventh-day adventist is a cult.

[Athanasius]

Originally Posted by JerRocks2day

I think that Seventh-day adventist is a cult.

Back up your assertion or withdraw it.

[JerRocks2day]

Back up your assertion or withdraw it.

I've been told that they were a cult, but before I declare it a cult, can somebody please give me an insight of what they believe, please?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by JerRocks2day

I've been told that they were a cult, but before I declare it a cult, can somebody please give me an insight of what they believe, please?

Yeah...its probably better to know what a group believes before you call them a cult.

[goodbyebluesky8]

Seventh Day Adventists are not a cult, though they believe some strange things in comparison to other Protestant denominations.
Some of which include their extreme devotion to Ellen G White's and other leaders/"prophets" writings, but what saves them from heresy is not going as far as to declare them inspired along with scripture. (much like JW's and LDS do with their early leaders)
They also believe in the "investigatory judgement" which is no doubt strange. You have to read about this on your own to try and understand it, and even then you might not understand it at all.
Theres a host of other things like following OT dietary laws, but ultimately nothing is heretical no matter how hard some people try and push the issue.

I have read their "Signs of The Times" mini magazines and in my opinion their psuedo dispensational futurist teachings on Revelation are in error, but again not heresy.

[goodbyebluesky8]

But bottom line.... don't line up at the Seventh Day Adventist camp for solid teachings on prophecy. There are much better sources and viewpoints to consider. These are the same people who revere a now-dead leader who predicted Christ's coming earlier this century, and when it didnt happen they formulated the doctrine of "Investigatory Judgement" to try and explain it away.
(i.e. The idea that Jesus "came" from one phase to another into the holy of holies in heaven and is sorting out who is going to be judged before he actually "comes physically" like they thought he was going to to begin with at that time) Don't rely on my terrible explanation please, look it up yourself. But in Kingdom of The Cults (I'm too lazy to go in the other room and see who wrote it, but its a classic) the author defends them as a non-cult but does note many of todays leaders have flip flopped on the acceptance of "investigatory judgement" and its become a dogma of sorts for them.
Go read Revelation: Four Views by Steve Gregg. Become familiar with the different camps of eschcatology before diving into anything too deep.

[Stealth3si]

Originally Posted by goodbyebluesky8

But bottom line.... don't line up at the Seventh Day Adventist camp for solid teachings on prophecy. There are much better sources and viewpoints to consider. These are the same people who revere a now-dead leader who predicted Christ's coming earlier this century, and when it didnt happen they formulated the doctrine of "Investigatory Judgement" to try and explain it away.
(i.e. The idea that Jesus "came" from one phase to another into the holy of holies in heaven and is sorting out who is going to be judged before he actually "comes physically" like they thought he was going to to begin with at that time) Don't rely on my terrible explanation please, look it up yourself. But in Kingdom of The Cults (I'm too lazy to go in the other room and see who wrote it, but its a classic) the author defends them as a non-cult but does note many of todays leaders have flip flopped on the acceptance of "investigatory judgement" and its become a dogma of sorts for them.
Go read Revelation: Four Views by Steve Gregg. Become familiar with the different camps of eschcatology before diving into anything too deep.

thx for the heads up. I've heard of KotC & i think it had good reviews. I'm also somewhat already familiar w/ pre/post/trib/alredy happened on revelation.

[domnastics]

Originally Posted by goodbyebluesky8

Seventh Day Adventists are not a cult, though they believe some strange things in comparison to other Protestant denominations.
Some of which include their extreme devotion to Ellen G White's and other leaders/"prophets" writings, but what saves them from heresy is not going as far as to declare them inspired along with scripture. (much like JW's and LDS do with their early leaders)
They also believe in the "investigatory judgement" which is no doubt strange. You have to read about this on your own to try and understand it, and even then you might not understand it at all.
Theres a host of other things like following OT dietary laws, but ultimately nothing is heretical no matter how hard some people try and push the issue.

I have read their "Signs of The Times" mini magazines and in my opinion their psuedo dispensational futurist teachings on Revelation are in error, but again not heresy.

Pretty good explanation. I'm a former SDA and I can tell you that it is not officially a cult. I've heard the term "heterodox" applied to SDA. That means that it has one foot in the door and one foot out so-to-speak. It claims the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, but in practice there are usually a lot of extras that seem to go along with it. And your post below the quoted one is about right on prophecy issues.

I think the really hard part for me is that dogmatically it is not heresy, but when you see how it usually ends up working out in practice it becomes logically away from the Gospel. (I don't know if that made sense, I've been working too long. sorry)

[goodbyebluesky8]

Originally Posted by domnastics

Pretty good explanation. I'm a former SDA and I can tell you that it is not officially a cult. I've heard the term "heterodox" applied to SDA. That means that it has one foot in the door and one foot out so-to-speak. It claims the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, but in practice there are usually a lot of extras that seem to go along with it. And your post below the quoted one is about right on prophecy issues.

I think the really hard part for me is that dogmatically it is not heresy, but when you see how it usually ends up working out in practice it becomes logically away from the Gospel. (I don't know if that made sense, I've been working too long. sorry)

Never heard the heterodox term, interesting.

I think if you look at the most critical things they appear like any other Protestant Denimination- justification by faith alone, innerancy of scripture, the trinity. Its some of other things that lead them down strange paths, even though they don't contradict any of the cardinal doctrines. But lots of groups within some Protestant denominations have gone down strange paths that led to practices and teaching that take away from the gospel. I see examples of it on TBN all the time.

[goodbyebluesky8]

Originally Posted by Stealth3si

thx for the heads up. I've heard of KotC & i think it had good reviews. I'm also somewhat already familiar w/ pre/post/trib/alredy happened on revelation.

Look, pre/post trib is a tiny slice of the pie. I'm talking about reading all FOUR major views- futurist, idealist, preterist, and historicist.

Pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib..... are only delineations of the same view, which falls within the Futurist category along with amillenial and postmillenial views.

Preterism is one of the most misunderstood views. No one is espousing it on tv and good books are hard to find at your local Christian bookstore, but its held by many well-learned scholars. A lot of people would have known very little about it if it werent for Gregg's book.

Sorry but I'm always the guy who reminds people how broad and varied the different schools of thought are. To me 2 people debating pre-trib versus post trib are like two meteorologists arguing about whether its going to snow or hail...... when its july and 100 degrees outside.

[Stealth3si]

maybe it's just me. but it each denomination seem to emphasize on different doctrines.