Vick to plead guilty

Jonular · 08-28-2007, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by bobthecockroach

Frankly, I think he should be given an average length sentence for his crimes, and he should be banned from the NFL.

He will probably get the average length sentence for the crimes he committed and then pleaded guilty to. If he got a 12 month sentence and pleaded not guilty, you would have a point, but he is pleading guilty, giving information to the feds, and getting at the very least a year in jail.

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Right now? Perhaps not. In a year, I'd expect a totally different response.

You're forgetting about commissioner Goodell (sp?). He suspended Pacman Jones for the year and he hadn't even been charged with anything! Michael Vick committed several felonies for years while playing for the NFL, and then lied to the commissioner when asked about it. You think the commissioner is going to forget that by the time Vick gets out of jail? This commissioner doesn't care about the potential profit lost, he wants to get rid of the bad guys in the league regardless of who they are.

Lightknight · 08-28-2007, 11:31 AM

Whatever happens, happens. I don't care as long as it stops him from these dog fights.

Tmurrin · 08-28-2007, 01:01 PM

yeah i agree as long as he stops the dog fights. Give him another chance though. he should have the oppertunity to play in the NFL without pay for 3 years or somethin not kick him out. I mean why not kick briggs out or tank or pacman. its crazy. but he does desreved to get punished

Jonular · 08-28-2007, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Tmurrin

yeah i agree as long as he stops the dog fights. Give him another chance though. he should have the oppertunity to play in the NFL without pay for 3 years or somethin not kick him out. I mean why not kick briggs out or tank or pacman. its crazy. but he does desreved to get punished

Wait, besides this wreck he got himself into, has Lance Briggs been a troublemaker?

Lightknight · 08-28-2007, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Tmurrin

yeah i agree as long as he stops the dog fights. Give him another chance though. he should have the oppertunity to play in the NFL without pay for 3 years or somethin not kick him out. I mean why not kick briggs out or tank or pacman. its crazy. but he does desreved to get punished

Um... forced slavery for three years? That sounds like a bad idea, methinks.

He should be made to tour the country for a bit to give inspirational speeches to youngsters, should pay a large fine, and should do some community service. But a year in prison? That's a waste of tax payer dollars.

**thesteve** · 08-28-2007, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Lightknight

He should be made to tour the country for a bit to give inspirational speeches to youngsters, should pay a large fine, and should do some community service. But a year in prison? That's a waste of tax payer dollars.

Maybe we should just rescind the laws on dogfighting while we're at it too.

Lightknight · 08-28-2007, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by thesteve

Maybe we should just rescind the laws on dogfighting while we're at it too.

Maybe bleeding heart liberals should stop imposing harsher laws for harming dogs than they do for rapings and child molestation.

The point of punishments are to rehabilitate the person in question and to have them repay their debt to society. When a person is harmed, it takes more than just a fine. These were animals. I care about animals and think it was an atrocity (not to mention I hate his team), but I think he can be put to far better use.

**thesteve** · 08-28-2007, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lightknight

Maybe bleeding heart liberals should stop imposing harsher laws for harming dogs than they do for rapings and child molestation.

I'm pretty sure the laws on rape and child molestation are harsher than the laws for dogfighting...I could be wrong, but I've never had the impression that you could get 10-15 years for dogfighting.

natedawg5280 · 08-28-2007, 01:52 PM

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns
http://blogs.houstonpress.com/ballz/...l_vick_sor.php

I don't think that it is fair that people make Vick a scapegoat and cause him to lose his job over this. Yes he should be punished, but lay off the man. It's the first criminal thing he's done, and I do not think that he should be treated so harshly for this. I will welcome him back if he returns. He's apologized, and I don't think he'll do it again. There's nothing else to hold against the man. I loved watching him play. In the grand scheme of things, I doubt his action will influence people to get into dog-fighting.. and if the NFL is where you find your role models, thats your problem.

wjarmusch · 08-28-2007, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lightknight

Maybe bleeding heart liberals should stop imposing harsher laws for harming dogs than they do for rapings and child molestation.

The point of punishments are to rehabilitate the person in question and to have them repay their debt to society. When a person is harmed, it takes more than just a fine. These were animals. I care about animals and think it was an atrocity (not to mention I hate his team), but I think he can be put to far better use.

Am I going to have to move this to Government or something?

Lightknight · 08-28-2007, 02:00 PM

People convicted of rape and child molestation generally get out in less than three years due to a general lack of minimum year requirements and they somehow get out on "good behavior" a lot.

Tmurrin · 08-28-2007, 02:15 PM

yeah maybe not the slavery idea but Vick is being used as a scapegoat. I mean he admits and appologizes and no briggs hsnt been in trouble what im saying is this is his first crime if he wasnt famous this wouldnt even be a big matter. Its a chance for the animal rights group to make themselves famous for saving the day

. its crazy. Give vick another chance

sabertooth181 · 08-28-2007, 09:31 PM

I feel bad for Vick. I just get the feeling that he slowly worked himself into this mess, and now that he looks back, he's probably thinking "How did I get in so deep?" Yeah he messed up, but it's not like he is a menace to society. I find the violent murder of dogs to be disturbing, but in the end I can't help but think "they're just dogs."

Truthfully, I don't know what to think about it all. The media has ridiculously overplayed the situation and everyone is so anti-Michael Vick. There is such an outrage over the dogfighting scandal, and it seems like the public takes it more seriously than all the other crazy things that go on in the world. Pacman gets in armed fights at stripclubs every other night and no one really cares. Vick gets involved with illegal animal fighting and half the population of America wants to freaking lynch him.

I don't think what he did should go unpunished, and he definately messed up. I just get tired of this society that accepts so much immorality, but becomes up-in-arms when the issue is with the death of animals. Everyone cares about animals, but so few are worried about the morals of the population of our country. Vick is just a product of the system.