Ron Paul. A good man?

someone13 · 08-08-2007, 09:57 PM

This is one man running for president with whom I have found very little fault. I would personally be elated to see him in the white house.

Let me know if I'm crazy...

www.RonPaul2008.com

Danny · 08-09-2007, 04:07 AM

I'm not a huge fan of where he stands on the issues, but hey, who here is surprised by that coming from me?

I will say that I admire his stand for true conservatism instead of this neocon bullcrap we've been seeing way too much of lately...but then again, I'm not much of a conservative, so I'm not going to admire it too much.

Obama '08 ftw!

Bryan · 08-09-2007, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny

I'm not a huge fan of where he stands on the issues, but hey, who here is surprised by that coming from me?

I will say that I admire his stand for true conservatism instead of this neocon bullcrap we've been seeing way too much of lately...but then again, I'm not much of a conservative, so I'm not going to admire it too much.

Obama '08 ftw!

he doesn't mention anything about expanding healthcare coverage. that's a problem in my book.

Travis · 08-09-2007, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by someone13

This is one man running for president with whom I have found very little fault. I would personally be elated to see him in the white house.

Let me know if I'm crazy...

www.RonPaul2008.com

I don't think you're crazy. He's the candidate I'm supporting.

Danny · 08-09-2007, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan

he doesn't mention anything about expanding healthcare coverage. that's a problem in my book.

1. Have your political views changed since last I was active here?
2. He's very much for small government, lower taxes, less government meddling in the affairs of private citizens, etc. So it wouldn't surprise me if he believes a completely privatized health care system to be ideal. That's one of the bigger areas where I disagree.
3. Or were you talking about Obama?

falconplayer11 · 08-09-2007, 12:35 PM

yeah ron paul seems like a really good guy, but his views seem like they would fit much better in the 1960s or 70s. As much as I hate big government, it is basically necessary now, with all the terrorist threats and different issues.

Bryan · 08-09-2007, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

1. Have your political views changed since last I was active here?
2. He's very much for small government, lower taxes, less government meddling in the affairs of private citizens, etc. So it wouldn't surprise me if he believes a completely privatized health care system to be ideal. That's one of the bigger areas where I disagree.
3. Or were you talking about Obama?

they have changed, actually, I don't know if government sponsored health care is the solution, but the fact that so many Americans have no health insurance and don't have access to health care they need is a problem. I would prefer to keep the government out of it, because we do have some the the highest quality health care in the world. I just don't think someone's income should prevent someone from getting the treatment they need. Personally, I'd like us to completely revamp the tax system so that it is simpler and more streamlined and costs less and then dump all the money we spend on the IRS in to health care.

Bryan · 08-09-2007, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis

I don't think you're crazy. He's the candidate I'm supporting.

ack!! he does exist.

Danny · 08-09-2007, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by falconplayer11

yeah ron paul seems like a really good guy, but his views seem like they would fit much better in the 1960s or 70s. As much as I hate big government, it is basically necessary now, with all the terrorist threats and different issues.

Eep! If a bigger government is "necessary" now, it's only because of the strains of having a larger society, not because of increased terrorist threats. (Go read Nineteen Eighty-Four and slap yourself on the wrist.) And even then, we still have every ability (and right) to keep a tight reign on it.

**Role Modlin** · 08-09-2007, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by falconplayer11

yeah ron paul seems like a really good guy, but his views seem like they would fit much better in the 1960s or 70s. As much as I hate big government, it is basically necessary now, with all the terrorist threats and different issues.

Our current political system caused those issues and continues to foster them.

Ron Paul is the only person I will even consider voting for.

**meatfinger** · 08-09-2007, 01:12 PM

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Personally, I'd like us to completely revamp the tax system so that it is simpler and more streamlined and costs less and then dump all the money we spend on the IRS in to health care.

The little research I've done into Ron Paul suggests that he's interested in abolishing income tax and the IRS altogether, and to scale back the budget to reflect the loss of that revenue by taking out of our foreign affairs and military budget (i.e., get us the hell out of Iraq). All of which sounds OK to me. Would it work? Maybe. Either way, it'd be better than what we've got now.

**Role Modlin** · 08-09-2007, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by meatfinger

The little research I've done into Ron Paul suggests that he's interested in abolishing income tax and the IRS altogether, and to scale back the budget to reflect the loss of that revenue by taking out of our foreign affairs and military budget (i.e., get us the hell out of Iraq). All of which sounds OK to me. Would it work? Maybe. Either way, it'd be better than what we've got now.

Don't forget the Federal Reserve.

Danny · 08-09-2007, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan

they have changed, actually, I don't know if government sponsored health care is the solution, but the fact that so many Americans have no health insurance and don't have access to health care they need is a problem. I would prefer to keep the government out of it, because we do have some the the highest quality health care in the world. I just don't think someone's income should prevent someone from getting the treatment they need. Personally, I'd like us to completely revamp the tax system so that it is simpler and more streamlined and costs less and then dump all the money we spend on the IRS in to health care.

The way I view it is that health care is as much a matter of public interest as a police force, fire safety and emergency care are. While the government has generally displayed ineptitude in running large projects with taxpayer money, the corporations running the healthcare system right now are at least just as corrupt as the government, and we can at least have a say in how our government deals with it. (I'd like to actually believe that we can have a say in how insurance companies do business through market forces, but frankly, when all the companies are just as corrupt and it becomes a matter of which devil to throw your money at, market forces aren't going to change much.) I'd like to see stronger government regulation on insurance companies, and then government aid given on an income-based standard to those who can't afford health insurance on their own. At least, that's what I'm thinking right now. Seems a little better to me than just having the government take over completely, and certainly better for the public at large than a completely privatized system.

Danny · 08-09-2007, 01:23 PM

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Don't forget the Federal Reserve.

Aha, I was wondering why Andy (Zooropa) supported this candidate, and now I know. Personally, I'm very skeptical of the whole "The Federal Reserve is evil and must be shut down" movement, but I'll reserve judgment until I can do some more research.

Bryan · 08-09-2007, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

The way I view it is that health care is as much a matter of public interest as a police force, fire safety and emergency care are. While the government has generally displayed ineptitude in running large projects with taxpayer money, the corporations running the healthcare system right now are at least just as corrupt as the government, and we can at least have a say in how our government deals with it. (I'd like to actually believe that we can have a say in how insurance companies do business through market forces, but frankly, when all the companies are just as corrupt and it becomes a matter of which devil to throw your money at, market forces aren't going to change much.) I'd like to see stronger government regulation on insurance companies, and then government aid given on an income-based standard to those who can't afford health insurance on their own. At least, that's what I'm thinking right now. Seems a little better to me than just having the government take over completely, and certainly better for the public at large than a completely privatized system.

it's interesting that Mitt Romney is probably the closest to that. he believes in mandating insurance coverage. and providing state sponsored insurance plans for those who can't get it through work with subidizing for low income participant