01-14-2008, 03:39 PM
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#166 | | likes pleasant suprises
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Originally Posted by falconplayer11 Abortion is the one and only area where I do not fully understand what Ron Paul is talking about. I support him 100% and even have a sticker on my truck  But I don't understand whether he is pro-life or not. I know he is totally against abortion morally, and that he believes that life starts at conception, as do I, but he seems vague on whether or not he wants to change the Constitution. Can anyone explain his stance on this?
Personally, I dont think the Constitution should be changed. I think that even though abortion is a disgusting practice, and I support movements and organization such as Sancitity of Life. But I think that outlawing abortion will only cause more problems. It wont be over with the outlawing of it, either. There will always be a fight for and against it. I just think that as Christians we need to work more toward reaching out to people individually, and not reach out to them through the federal government. Jesus did not go preach to Caesar or the officials to change the people. He preached to the people.
Is Ron Paul's stance anywhere close to mine? | I believe Ron Paul wants to overturn Roe vs Wade. He wants no government funding for abortion. I also believe he wants to make abortion illegal, equating it with murder of the fetus. |
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01-14-2008, 06:27 PM
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#167 | | Meat Popsicle
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Originally Posted by Akshay I believe Ron Paul wants to overturn Roe vs Wade. He wants no government funding for abortion. I also believe he wants to make abortion illegal, equating it with murder of the fetus. | Not quite. Roe V. Wade was the only legal option under the constitution, it would require a constitutional amendment to make it illegal, he supports an amendment.
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01-15-2008, 12:33 PM
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#168 | | Your car crash eyes...
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Originally Posted by Nate Yeah. Perhaps our culture could change them; our being there could make them desire to Westernize as they see how we live. | This attitude is probably why they hate us so much.
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01-15-2008, 12:52 PM
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#169 | | the sun is often out
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| I doubt it; besides, I doubt many people have it. It just seems to me the only way to win a 'war on terror' versus a religion. And it's not really a tactic, just the only thing I can imagine ending it. (All Muslims are not terrorists, but I don't see the Muslim world as a whole condemning the terrorist actions... Some whole Islamic countries like Iran support them)
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01-15-2008, 01:07 PM
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#170 | | Meat Popsicle
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Originally Posted by natedawg5280 I doubt it; besides, I doubt many people have it. It just seems to me the only way to win a 'war on terror' versus a religion. And it's not really a tactic, just the only thing I can imagine ending it. (All Muslims are not terrorists, but I don't see the Muslim world as a whole condemning the terrorist actions... Some whole Islamic countries like Iran support them) | If you knew your history, you'd know that the U.S.'s support of the Sha'h in Iran was what caused the people of Iran to overthrow the government and start hating the U.S.
Google "Iran-Contra" and Ayatollah Khomeini...
All this return to Reganism crap makes me wonder if people actually realize that the mess we're in now is his fault...
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01-15-2008, 02:04 PM
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#171 | | recovering user
Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 4,793
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Originally Posted by AXguitar If you knew your history, you'd know that the U.S.'s support of the Sha'h in Iran was what caused the people of Iran to overthrow the government and start hating the U.S.
Google "Iran-Contra" and Ayatollah Khomeini...
All this return to Reganism crap makes me wonder if people actually realize that the mess we're in now is his fault... | AMEN. |
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01-15-2008, 02:44 PM
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#172 | | Your car crash eyes...
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Originally Posted by natedawg5280 I doubt it; besides, I doubt many people have it. It just seems to me the only way to win a 'war on terror' versus a religion. And it's not really a tactic, just the only thing I can imagine ending it. (All Muslims are not terrorists, but I don't see the Muslim world as a whole condemning the terrorist actions... Some whole Islamic countries like Iran support them) | Have you talked to any Americans lately? A good portion of everybody I've talked to has that same attitude, weather they support the war or George Bush or not.
Do you realize how many countries that support terrorism, America has supported in the past?
I think that by our government telling us that we are constantly threatened by terrorists, they are in fact accomplishing what the terrorists want. We are now "terrorized" by them. What's more terrorizing, the fear of something happening, or something happening?
This is just an inference I've made from things I've learned in school, though. I could be wrong.
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01-15-2008, 02:53 PM
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#173 | | Registered User
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Originally Posted by AXguitar Not quite. Roe V. Wade was the only legal option under the constitution, it would require a constitutional amendment to make it illegal, he supports an amendment. | Wikipedia agrees: Quote: |
Paul is pro-life, but opposes a Federal ban on abortion, advocating overturning Roe v. Wade to let states determine the legality of abortion.
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