[AudioAUnderdog]

Keep in mind that I'm a beginner drummer (I'm a gearhead though), but I've found these are better bang for the buck then other brands like Zildjian and Sabian. They rock.

http://www.masterworkcymbal.com/

[Folk_guy]

The cymbals that come prepackaged with these kits are little more than trash can lids. You can make an inferior drum set sound passible with the right heads, and tuning, but there is nothing you can do about bad cymbals. I would check out the entry level kits like the ludwig you linked two, but I would recommend looking above the bottom of the line cymbals. Sabian B-8 Pros would be a good start but I would try to get to a store where you can try them out and see what they sound like.

[Jay Tea]

If you're on a stiff budget, I would definitely look at used cymbals. Personally, I'm fond of Zildjan's A series, but Sabian's AA/AAX would be worth a look, and probably Paiste...something like Alpha or 2002 series. New, I think they'd be too much, but you might find something workable used.

[Folk_guy]

I would agree with Jay about the used cymbals, better deal if you can find some you like.

[Jeffrey Gilbert]

Originally Posted by Insane Drummer

Gretsch Catalina Maple 6 piece "Euro-pack"

22/18 bass
14/6 snare
8/10 9/12 mounted toms
14/14 and 16/16 floor toms

and a Pearl 3/13 steel piccolo snare on the side

Cymbals

Sabian AAXplosion crashes in 14,16,18
Sabian Paragon 14 inch hi-hats and 19 inch china
Sabian HH 20 Leopard ride
Instanbul 20 Mehmet 20 Pasha Ride (Amazing)
Sabian AA 10 splash

Wow.. Amazing setup is the only thing I can say!