The Fray-How to Save a Life (need album art)

Jeffrey · 08-15-2007, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by tl_guitarnut

I heard that the guys in the Fray started in their church youth band.

I can least a half-dozen urban r&b singers who started singing in churches. I just really think we need to respect the band's wishes and allow them to be a band of Christians, not a youth group band.

**thesteve** · 08-15-2007, 01:55 AM

I agree with Jeffrey. We should also remove the IA sub-forums for Creed, Chevelle, Evanescence, Lifehouse and U2.

Jeffrey · 08-15-2007, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by thesteve

I agree with Jeffrey. We should also remove the IA sub-forums for Creed, Chevelle, Evanescence, Lifehouse and U2.

You're being serious, correct? I agree. There should be a basic rule that a band needs to associate primarily with the Christian scene or at least not have verbally distanced themselves. U2 is a band I enjoy, but they have songs ("Wake Up, Dead Man") that I hardly think earn them a place on CGR.

**thesteve** · 08-15-2007, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

You're being serious, correct? I agree. There should be a basic rule that a band needs to associate primarily with the Christian scene or at least not have verbally distanced themselves. U2 is a band I enjoy, but they have songs ("Wake Up, Dead Man") that I hardly think earn them a place on CGR.

I'm being totally serious. None of the bands I mentioned have or really want anything to do with the Christian scene, whether it be from claiming to be Christians in a band, associated with a label accepted as CCM (as many T&N bands are) or more overtly stating their faith (Third Day, Tomlin, etc.).

earlessdog · 08-15-2007, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

I did the exclamation points to make my post seem less harsh, but it seems I failed at that. I didn't want to come across like I thought people putting The Fray here were stupid.

Well you came across like you were really pissed off, or thats how I read it.

tl_guitarnut · 08-15-2007, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

I can least a half-dozen urban r&b singers who started singing in churches. I just really think we need to respect the band's wishes and allow them to be a band of Christians, not a youth group band.

I didn't say they were a youth group band. Somebody said that Switchfoot started as a christian band and I was just saying that these guys did too.....sort of.

**thesteve** · 08-15-2007, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by tl_guitarnut

I didn't say they were a youth group band. Somebody said that Switchfoot started as a christian band and I was just saying that these guys did too.....sort of.

I think the difference is that Switchfoot released three albums from re:Think, distributed by bigtime Christian label Sparrow Records. They were a mainstay of the Christian music scene six years before achieving major mainstream success ("A Walk to Remember" soundtrack).

Jeffrey · 08-15-2007, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by earlessdog

Well you came across like you were really pissed off, or thats how I read it.

Yeah, sorry about that. If you read most of my posts you'll see I hardly ever (if ever) use exclamation points over and over.

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Originally Posted by tl_guitarnut

I didn't say they were a youth group band. Somebody said that Switchfoot started as a christian band and I was just saying that these guys did too.....sort of.

Sort of, like The Steve points out, they never signed to a Christian label, became regulars at the Christian fest circle, etc.

Switchfoot has changed their tune as success rises. The Fray never sang that tune.

**Mara** · 08-15-2007, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Switchfoot has changed their tune as success rises. The Fray never sang that tune.

I'm going to jump in and say that while you have a very valid point, I can find far more evidence of faith in The Fray's music than I can in Switchfoot's more recent music (especailly on Oh! Gravity). Maybe I'm just not thinking about it the way I should be, but I try not to define a Christian band based on what record label they are on, but rather the content of their music and how outspoken they are about their faith, etc. Some people don't agree with that, though. *shrug* Just my two cents.

Oh!Gravity · 08-15-2007, 09:29 PM

I don't define band's by record lables either. I could care less if say, Chris Tomlin signed to Columbia, Sony, or whatever because he'd still be making very faith-oriented music.

Jeffrey · 08-18-2007, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mara

I'm going to jump in and say that while you have a very valid point, I can find far more evidence of faith in The Fray's music than I can in Switchfoot's more recent music (especailly on Oh! Gravity). Maybe I'm just not thinking about it the way I should be, but I try not to define a Christian band based on what record label they are on, but rather the content of their music and how outspoken they are about their faith, etc. Some people don't agree with that, though. *shrug* Just my two cents.

I would like to do this as well, but when we talk about Christian music, the most common association is the CCM (and I include Christian hard rock) culture. This is true among both Christians and non-Christians. There's a reason that Tooth and Nail is known as a Christian label to non-Christians and I feel no empathy for a band that releases an album on T&N and is "shocked" to be labeled Christian.

The Fray has made it clear they don't like the label of "Christian music." I don't think that has any bearing on the quality of their art, just their ability to benefit from a site that has clear ties to Christian music.

Otherwise, the bassist of Social Distortion professed Christ before his passing. Should we include tabs of the songs he wrote for that band?

tl_guitarnut · 08-18-2007, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by thesteve

I think the difference is that Switchfoot released three albums from re:Think, distributed by bigtime Christian label Sparrow Records. They were a mainstay of the Christian music scene six years before achieving major mainstream success ("A Walk to Remember" soundtrack).

Yeah, thats true. The Fray just suddenly popped up in the general market right away.

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Sort of, like The Steve points out, they never signed to a Christian label, became regulars at the Christian fest circle, etc.

Switchfoot has changed their tune as success rises. The Fray never sang that tune.

Yeah I see what your saying.

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Originally Posted by Mara

I'm going to jump in and say that while you have a very valid point, I can find far more evidence of faith in The Fray's music than I can in Switchfoot's more recent music (especailly on Oh! Gravity). Maybe I'm just not thinking about it the way I should be, but I try not to define a Christian band based on what record label they are on, but rather the content of their music and how outspoken they are about their faith, etc. Some people don't agree with that, though. *shrug* Just my two cents.

I dont know. The Fray are pretty open and so are the members of Switchfoot. I guess I see it as their connection to the christian music scene. Being that the Fray are signed to a mainstreamed label they get less christian market glance from the get go. Switchfoot, being signed with a christian label as well as a secular one gets lots of attention from the christian marketplace as well as the secular.