hey hey

goldenchild · 07-31-2007, 11:56 AM

don't know who's still here that remembers me but I've been away for awhile and thought I'd come back around to see what's going on. peace

milkmandog · 07-31-2007, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by goldenchild

don't know who's still here that remembers me but I've been away for awhile and thought I'd come back around to see what's going on. peace

Hey I was wondering where you were. We missed you on the recent popes statement thread. Good to have you back

goldenchild · 07-31-2007, 12:04 PM

I saw that

. But the thread's got so big already I wasn't gonna go through it all. My opinion in a nutshell: Benedict is not excluding protestant churches nearly as much as people think. His liberal modernist ecumenical beliefs are still quite intact.

Iceman-bass14 · 07-31-2007, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by goldenchild

I saw that

. But the thread's got so big already I wasn't gonna go through it all. My opinion in a nutshell: Benedict is not excluding protestant churches nearly as much as people think. His liberal modernist ecumenical beliefs are still quite intact.

Hes not excluding us as much as we think?He flat out told us (protestants) that catholicism has the only true path to salvation.That sounds like hes excluding pretty much all protestants.

goldenchild · 07-31-2007, 12:57 PM

He has some language added in there that would seem like orthodox Catholic teaching. But the context shows otherwise. He does these things from time to time and it makes people think that he's following Catholic teaching. If one reads the whole document, his real belief comes out. While his true belief may not be fully compatible with the conservative Protestant belief (which I respect much moreso than the post-Vatican II "catholic" teachings), neither does it fit the Catholic belief either.

Daniel21TX · 07-31-2007, 02:04 PM

Hey goldenchild, nice to see a old theology face. Hope you get active on this forum again. I enjoyed discussing things with you and trying to convince you that I am right

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Bryan · 07-31-2007, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by goldenchild

don't know who's still here that remembers me but I've been away for awhile and thought I'd come back around to see what's going on. peace

welcome back!!

goldenchild · 07-31-2007, 04:04 PM

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Hey goldenchild, nice to see a old theology face. Hope you get active on this forum again. I enjoyed discussing things with you and trying to convince you that I am right

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haha likewise. I'm sure we'll be back at it soon enough

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goldenchild · 07-31-2007, 04:05 PM

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welcome back!!

Thanks, good to see you too

KFBobInsanesMom · 07-31-2007, 04:20 PM

Very glad to see you back, too.

JerRocks2day · 07-31-2007, 04:56 PM

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I saw that . But the thread's got so big already I wasn't gonna go through it all. My opinion in a nutshell: Benedict is not excluding protestant churches nearly as much as people think. His liberal modernist ecumenical beliefs are still quite intact.

Goldenchild, don't be so decieved. What if the Pope truly believes that the Catholic church is the only to heaven. I mean, that's just plain ol' deception. Remember to read the verse in Proverbs 18:2 on how a fool has no pleasure in understanding, but rather air out his own opinion.

goldenchild · 07-31-2007, 06:14 PM

I could be mistaken. But at this point, I am quite positive that he doesn't believe that the Catholic Church is the only way to heaven, just as he doesn't hold many other Catholic beliefs. I have no intention of making myself out to be an expert on this because I'm not. But, I've been studying the so-called Catholic Church since Vatican II and this is one of the biggest differences between the Church since Vatican II (including the current "pope") and the Catholic Church of the years before 1950's+. Perhaps the biggest doctrine of the Novus Ordo Church is Ecumenism and this doctrine wouldn't be possible if they believed the Catholic Church was the only way to salvation.

joshaber · 07-31-2007, 06:21 PM

Good to see you back goldenchild

theguidedheart · 07-31-2007, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by goldenchild

He has some language added in there that would seem like orthodox Catholic teaching. But the context shows otherwise. He does these things from time to time and it makes people think that he's following Catholic teaching. If one reads the whole document, his real belief comes out. While his true belief may not be fully compatible with the conservative Protestant belief (which I respect much moreso than the post-Vatican II "catholic" teachings), neither does it fit the Catholic belief either.

So whats your position on the papacy at this point, you feel the chair of Peter is vacant? How so? Do you follow the authority of Peter's successor in general, and if so do you expect someone to eventually fill that seat again, and how? Theres a load of welcome back questions for you...

Peace

theguidedheart · 07-31-2007, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by goldenchild

I could be mistaken. But at this point, I am quite positive that he doesn't believe that the Catholic Church is the only way to heaven, just as he doesn't hold many other Catholic beliefs. I have no intention of making myself out to be an expert on this because I'm not. But, I've been studying the so-called Catholic Church since Vatican II and this is one of the biggest differences between the Church since Vatican II (including the current "pope") and the Catholic Church of the years before 1950's+. Perhaps the biggest doctrine of the Novus Ordo Church is Ecumenism and this doctrine wouldn't be possible if they believed the Catholic Church was the only way to salvation.

You don't believe in ecumenism without losing anything?

ec·u·me·nism (ěk'yə-mə-nĭz'əm, ĭ-kyōō'-) Pronunciation Key
n.
A movement promoting unity among Christian churches or denominations.
A movement promoting worldwide unity among religions through greater cooperation and improved understanding.

I don't see anything in these descriptions saying that the Catholic faith needs to be sacrified for unity... cooperation and improved understanding are the key, not sacrifice and compromise.