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It's not really a big deal 155 64.58%
No, you should not listen to secular music 44 18.33%
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Unread 06-05-2002, 11:58 AM   #76
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i think most of these scriptures came from the amplified, i do use NKJ and NASB some also

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John 17
14I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. 16They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth. 18As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.

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11And the crowds, when they saw what Paul had done, lifted up their voices, shouting in the Lycaonian language, The gods have come down to us in human form!
12They called Barnabas Zeus, and they called Paul, because he led in the discourse, Hermes [god of speech].
13And the priest of Zeus, whose [temple] was at the entrance of the town, brought bulls and garlands to the [city's] gates and wanted to join the people in offering sacrifice.
14But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of it, they tore their clothing and dashed out among the crowd, shouting,
15Men, why are you doing this? We also are [only] human beings, of nature like your own, and we bring you the good news (Gospel) that you should turn away from these foolish and vain things to the living God, Who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and everything that they contain.(1)

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May I also add Genesis 15:7 to the list. How is Genesis 15:7 relevant you ask? Exactly! It isn't, just like the above...

[me]does the world hate you and i or do we keep in tune with it just enuff so that it doesn't hate us................most secular artists are treated like gods and even some are even referred to as gods

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The Pharisees in Christ's time were adding to the Law, so to say something is "Pharisetical" is to say that it is an addition, not a subtraction as your definition requires.

[me]not only did they add but they twisted and changed it and in twisting it so that it was of nonaffect it was the same as subtraction

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Unread 06-05-2002, 12:43 PM   #77
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Being in the world, but not of the world. Why?

While I haven't read all of the posts, here's a thought I haven't seen yet.

Isn't it maybe a good idea to listen to secular music so that we can relate it to the unsaved while interacting and witnessing to them?

It's kind of the same idea as missions. Missionaries must learn the language and culture of the people they intend to evangelize. So for us, we also must be aware of the language and culture of those around us. How else can we really relate to them? We need to be able to speak to people in their terms. Not in our big theological words.

I am in college, and I work with High School age Youth at my church. I already find myself struggling to identify with these kids, even though I am only 3 years older than some of them. One way I try to identify with these kids is to be involved in their culture. I listen to the music they listen to, I watch the TV shows they watch, I see the movies they see. It's not always because I want to or particularly enjoy watching things like the Osborne's or South Park (one of the biggest Christian slamming shows on the air). That's what they are into. That's their culture. Me knowing what they know does open doors for me to minister and sometimes witness. I hope my point is clear.

We are the light and salt of the world. Let's not isolate the greatest message of all time by isolating ourselves.

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Unread 06-05-2002, 01:02 PM   #78
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Boogeray, is it wrong to sing "Happy Birthday"? Is it wrong to read the writings of a non-Christian, like Homer, Plato, Mark Twain, etc? You will say, "no, but these things aren't like secular music. Look at Marilyn Manson." That's why I don't listen to Marilyn Manson. I have no desire to. Just like everyone else here, I advocate discernment in what to listen to. But not all secular music is like Marilyn Manson. If you don't believe me, then feel free to check out some of the artists I listed above.

I think it's very important that we don't allow music to disrupt our walk with God. That's the most important thing in our lives. But I believe there is secular music that can encourage my walk with God, and there is Christian music that can get in the way and lead me away from God. It's important to be very conscious of the messages of the music we listen to. I think it's dangerous to blindly listen to and accept all music labelled "Christian" - to me, a lot of it sometimes encourages me to be fake. It doesn't call me to be real like some other music does.

I think the main issue here now is not whether or not we should listen to music that is "base or wicked" (as the verse you pointed out in Psalm 103 says). I think the issue now is, "Does all secular music fall under this category?" And my belief is a resounding no.
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personally I can't stand secular music, there are just a handful of secular songs that I can tolerate. I used to listen to secular music all the time and it had a big influence on my life. I did not realize it until a while after I stopped listening to secular music all together, I look back on the way I was after getting saved and being saved for a while and still listening to secular music and the way I am now not listening to secular music and I am so much closer to the lord and I would never want to go back to the way i was listening to secular music cause it drags you down, one of my friends is a christian and he listens to secular music and I can't tell a diference between him and a person who has nothing to do with jesus christ. so I challenge any and everyone who reads this to not listen to secular music for 30 days, it costs no money. I have challenged you to help your walk with the lord, i pray that you would stay strong in the lord always and that you would keep pressing on towards god. peace and god bless.
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Secular music as an outreach tool? Yes.

TomfromIllinois,

I understand your not liking secular music. I also understand the effect secular music can have on your life, but if you have an effective walk with God at the same time, it doesn't have to have any effect on your life. If you read my post from before, I was kind of getting at the fact that there is some responsibility to listen to secular music. If you hang out with people that listen to classical music, then listen to that. If you hang out with people that listen to Korn, then listen to that. If you hang out with people that listen to hymns, then you need to expand your horizon and find some unsaved people to develop relationships with. You'll find a lack of hope in the world's music. This lack of hope is what a lot of people are drawn to. They can identify with the music. You can use this to your advantage to witness to them. Also introduce Christian alternatives. I have a friend that likes classic rock & roll and death metal. I have introduced him to bands like Disciple, POD, and Petra. And he loves it. Maybe someday he'll understand the whole message these bands present.

In my own defense, don't listen to just secular music. That is a dangerous thing. I have been to both extremes of the issue. I grew up listening only to Christian music. The only time I ever heard secular music is when I went into grocery stores and the mall. You know what though? You couldn't tell my life any different from the next lost soul. It was a heart issue . Then I had a rebellious time in my life where I only listened to secular music. Again, I was as un-Christian as the next lost soul. When I got my life straight with God again, it didn't matter what I listened too. It is truly an issue of the heart. I'm sorry to hear about your friend. It sounds to me like the issue is really not his music, but a deeper problem.

Acts 17:23
For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
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Re: Secular music as an outreach tool? Yes.

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...if you have an effective walk with God at the same time, [secular music] doesn't have to have any effect on your life.
This may be true for you, however, this is not the case for everyone.

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if secular music cause you to stumble, don't listen to it.

If it doesn't, then go ahead.


And someone commented on how Linkin Park was not good because it's just a bunch of questions of emptiness, no answers? Well, I'm betting they are just writing what they feel... I know I've certainly had many many many times when I have been full of questions and empty of answers... don't say "oh, they are bad" because they wrote what they felt.


boogeray, since I've just been reading a whole bunch of irrevelent scripture from you, here is my suggestion. Post ONE piece of scripture that you think is most relevant and supports your argument best, and go on from there.



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Charlie bud , do u realize what your saying ?? you are saying that to reach kids younger than you , you listen to their music , watch their tv show, and movies they watch??
thats not the best way to do it. I mean you said you would watch south park to witness to them better??!!
that show is trash man!! You shouldnt listen to anything bad or watch anything bad to try and connect better or witness...just read the Bible and know everything about it as possible and that will be enough....it doesnt help you to get down in the mud with them...im juss sayin dude.
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Maybe my post is unclear still. Maybe this will help. It hangs on my wall near my study area. Note the order of the points. It chronicles any good relationship:


I care about their world. I make an attempt to understand their culture, their music, their language, their TV shows, even their hairstyles. I donít pretend to be a teen myself, but Iím eager to talk with them about their world.

I care about their lives. I ask them about school and about things at home. I really listen when they talk. We donít just focus on facts, we talk about feelings.

I care about their time. I attempt to make each group session interesting and relevant. I try to get to know kids one-on-one as much as possible.

I care about their future. I donít settle for shallow answers that will soon wear thin. I donít forget about kids who have moved on.

I care about their souls. I point them to Jesus. I pray for them regularly. I help them learn to find answers for themselves in Scripture.
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[froggee501]boogeray, since I've just been reading a whole bunch of irrevelent scripture from you, here is my suggestion. Post ONE piece of scripture that you think is most relevant and supports your argument best, and go on from there.

[me]they are all relevent............the devil has you so blinded you wont see it, but here goes anyway

1 Thessalonians 5
21But test and prove all things [until you can recognize] what is good; [to that] hold fast.
22Abstain from evil [shrink from it and keep aloof from it] in whatever form or whatever kind it may be.
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Again, as many will notice, boogeray is just throwing out verses, and he is not showing how they correlate to mine and several others cases.

Boogeray, you simply can't just chuck a verse out there. It misrepresents our case and tells us that you have not really examined our cases very well at all.

I also beseech you to stop accusing your brothers in Christ of being blinded by the devil, and open your own eyes to our case instead of blatantly and arbitrarily throwing verses out. You are the one who is blinded, because you can't even show how these verses relate to our case and argument.
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Quote:
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1 Thessalonians 5
21But test and prove all things [until you can recognize] what is good; [to that] hold fast.
22Abstain from evil [shrink from it and keep aloof from it] in whatever form or whatever kind it may be.
I wholeheartedly agree with this verse, but it does nothing to convince me that I shouldn't listen to secular music. I agree that we are to abstain from evil; but is all secular music evil by nature? This is the question that must be answered if we are to get anywhere in this debate. Please focus on answering this question in future postings if you would like to get anywhere in this debate. You have stated over and over again that we should abstain from evil, but you have yet to show that all secular music is evil.
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I care about their world. I make an attempt to understand their culture, their music, their language, their TV shows, even their hairstyles. I donít pretend to be a teen myself, but Iím eager to talk with them about their world.
I agree that you should "understand them", but say if they listen or watch some trash (i.e. Enimem, MTV, etc) should you watch it just to see what their lives are like? How is that any different then taking drugs to minister to drug addicts?
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