Secular Music in Relation to Christianity (merged)

Sarah · 10-29-2003, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by fudrudler

If im not mistaken they are very anti-Christian. dont get me wrong i listen to sytem of a down and the like sometimes. evan own a cd but how could you listen to a blasphemous band. this prob should go in the secular music thread but it will get more reading here

Hi, welcome to CGR.

Good luck. You'll need it.

Scott · 10-29-2003, 04:32 AM

Merged.

You might not care about where you put the threads, but I do. Follow the rules, or I won't bother merging next time, I'll just close.

nickman945236 · 10-30-2003, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MusicOnTheMove

I do wonder about the difference between "secular" and "Christian" music. I guess it just must be the lyrics.
I do think its interesting that we put music into two different types like that.
I think its better to just call it "music", dont you think?
You all know what I mean?

What makes music secular to whoever it is who "divides" the music is the lyrics, but that's not what makes music "secular" or christian. It all depends upon the spirit behind the music. If a cd was recorded for the purpose of glorifying God, and bringing christians and non-christians alike closer to him, then it's OK to listen to and hopefully the "spirit" behind the music will wear off on the listener. If music was recorded for the sole purpose of being rich and famous, then there is a foul spirit behind the music and that "spirit" will have an effect on your attitude. I think we have a mix of both types in secular and christian. Some secular artists don't make cd's with only greed in mind. Yet some christian artists care mostly about the dough.

Corrections or additions welcomed.

Nick

**Sean** · 10-30-2003, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by nickman945236

What makes music secular to whoever it is who "divides" the music is the lyrics, but that's not what makes music "secular" or christian. It all depends upon the spirit behind the music. If a cd was recorded for the purpose of glorifying God, and bringing christians and non-christians alike closer to him, then it's OK to listen to and hopefully the "spirit" behind the music will wear off on the listener. If music was recorded for the sole purpose of being rich and famous, then there is a foul spirit behind the music and that "spirit" will have an effect on your attitude. I think we have a mix of both types in secular and christian. Some secular artists don't make cd's with only greed in mind. Yet some christian artists care mostly about the dough.

Corrections or additions welcomed.

Nick

I'm not sure what you're saying. At firstyou say that if the music is recorded for the purpose of glorifying God then it is good, but later you imply some "secular" music is okay because it isn't just about the money. These are two very different statements. I dont' support either one.

Danny · 10-30-2003, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by nickman945236

What makes music secular to whoever it is who "divides" the music is the lyrics, but that's not what makes music "secular" or christian. It all depends upon the spirit behind the music. If a cd was recorded for the purpose of glorifying God, and bringing christians and non-christians alike closer to him, then it's OK to listen to and hopefully the "spirit" behind the music will wear off on the listener. If music was recorded for the sole purpose of being rich and famous, then there is a foul spirit behind the music and that "spirit" will have an effect on your attitude.

*stares blankly*

*blinks several times*

You must be joking. You're joking, right? Please don't tell me you actually believe that demons and angels have nothing better to do than embed themselves into digital sound files burned to CDs for the specific purpose of opressing or minstering whoever listens to the respective sound files. Where does the Bible give examples of such spiritual activity?

Jared · 11-04-2003, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

*stares blankly*

*blinks several times*

You must be joking. You're joking, right? Please don't tell me you actually believe that demons and angels have nothing better to do than embed themselves into digital sound files burned to CDs for the specific purpose of opressing or minstering whoever listens to the respective sound files. Where does the Bible give examples of such spiritual activity?

Righto.

And to expand on this, how does one determine what the artist's intention was? How do I know Steven Curtis Chapman isn't swindling me?
I guarantee you the "secular music industry's" intentions are much more pure than the "Christian music industry's."

**redbaron** · 11-05-2003, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DreamChaser

Anyone who is not Christian is anti-christian - if not for God then against God. I don't see why that an artist/band/group/clothing manufacturer - whatever you want to talk about - is not Christian than we should not buy/listen/use any of their products.

I wonder how long it will take for someone to tear this post to pieces..

given that most christian bands are on labels that are owned by bigger labels that are owned by multi-national corporations, i'm pretty sure that you shouldn't be buying your MWS albums either.

I'll guaruntee you at some point up the ladder the only reason for putting out the product is to make money. You don't go into music soley for love of music, but that does need to be a reason. If you didn't go into it for money, no one would be able to afford to do it.

In my experience, christian labels and bookstores are some of the biggest crooks. $22 for a cd with tax? what the heck!

Jesus threw these same people out of the temple for being theives 2000 years ago and called them a brood of vipers.

At least the secular industry is honest about it.

julianaTheory30 · 11-26-2003, 07:10 PM

for all the christians that like Nirvana. What is your christian perspective on them? Is it right for a christian to listen to them? What christian bands are there that sound like them?
just tell me what you think of them. I want to know.

thanx

Tim

perhaps · 11-26-2003, 08:30 PM

*SIGH*

benj · 11-26-2003, 08:35 PM

Never heard of them. Are they a new CCM band? R0x0rs yall, r0x0rs!

benj · 11-26-2003, 08:41 PM

Actually, I won't be so silly. I just thought of this quote I read earlier today that plays into what I think of secular thought and art as a Christian. Man, as created in God's image, has value. When I look at the art of Christians and nonChristians alike, I see beauty in both that is not merely the product of their faith, but the product of something inherent in them as human beings. The Christian artist who creates to the glory of his Creator and the nonChristian who creates to anything both reflect something they cannot help reflecting. Creating art screams meaning, whether it is acknowledged or not. As a Christian, I embrace and dwell upon that which is beautiful, no matter who made it. Anyway, back to the quote I referenced before I ranted like a nut...

"In reading profane authors, the admirable light of truth displayed in them should remind us that the human mind, however much fallen and perverted from its original integrity, is still adorned and invested with admirable gifts from its Creator."

-John Calvin

**Skeeter** · 11-26-2003, 08:46 PM

Surely there's another Nirvana thread around somewhere. And surely this shall be merged with the "Secular Music in Relation to Christianity" thread.

benj · 11-26-2003, 08:49 PM

Who's this Nirvana?

And please, I am not even going to participate in the "Secular Music in Relation to Christianity" thread. So if you ship it there, poo on you.

Scott · 11-27-2003, 05:47 AM

Poo on me, then.

**Skeeter** · 11-27-2003, 01:15 PM

Toldja it'd get merged.