Secular Music in Relation to Christianity (merged)

Danny · 08-09-2002, 12:09 PM

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Originally posted by Unregistered
I also have struggled with the whole Secular V Spiritual Music deal and wether it's the Music or the Lyrics or the Artist that makes it "right or wrong"

Easy rule to use for your Secular/Spiritual Music:

Q: Would you play the Song if Jesus was standing in your Lounge room with you?

Kinda makes it a bit clearer doesn't it.

And remember He said "And Lo I am with you always, even to the ends of the Earth!!

Ciao

That's definately a good way to look at things.

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ba doo doo da ba doo da dwee da doo da bomp bomp ba dada doo ba doo doo da ba doo da dwee da doo da bomp bomp ba dada doo ba doo da doo dwee doo daa doo daaaay ba da da ba da da ba da da ba da da doo doooooooo - MxPx

Hey, isn't that "Chick Magnet?" I love that song!

(PS, another example of a Christian band on a secular label)

Underhill · 08-09-2002, 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by mNighthawk007
Hey, isn't that "Chick Magnet?" I love that song!

(PS, another example of a Christian band on a secular label)

yup

jesus_freak826 · 08-09-2002, 02:24 PM

wait a second... did you say MxPx is Christian??

Danny · 08-09-2002, 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by jesus_freak826
wait a second... did you say MxPx is Christian??

Well... sort of.
They were more spiritual back before their glory days. Check out the CD "Pokinatcha" and you'll see what I mean. Musically one of the worst CD's I have ever had the displeasure of listening to, but very spiritual at times.

jesus_freak826 · 08-09-2002, 02:29 PM

hmm interesting... that's cool though... i had no idea... i'll try and check that album out... thanks

Underhill · 08-09-2002, 03:15 PM

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Originally posted by mNighthawk007
(PS, another example of a Christian band on a secular label)

actually, it's a secular band on a Christian label (they're on Tooth & Nail)

Danny · 08-09-2002, 03:40 PM

Oh yeah, Tooth and Nail. Forgot about that. Although I don't know how Christian I would consider Tooth and Nail records.
They've got alot of bands under them that I wouldn't consider Christian. Such as .rod laver.

Underhill · 08-09-2002, 06:20 PM

true

Jfreak · 08-22-2002, 03:34 PM

I look at it like this, and it may have already been said... We watch secualr movies and most of us don't beef about it (I mean how many time can you watch Left Behind)...so its not really if its right to listen to secular music or not I guess you just have to be carefull..which is the same thing with movies..just my 2cents :-)

One,
Jfreak

Jfreak · 08-22-2002, 03:42 PM

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Originally posted by mNighthawk007
Oh yeah, Tooth and Nail. Forgot about that. Although I don't know how Christian I would consider Tooth and Nail records.
They've got alot of bands under them that I wouldn't consider Christian. Such as .rod laver.

Whats wrong with .Rod Laver ????

Pick it up! · 08-22-2002, 03:44 PM

mxpx's bass player once said something along the lines of: we're christians, in a band, we're just not a christian band.

i have lots of respect for them and many other bands made up of christians who made the decision not to put themselves inside the "christian box".

Danny · 08-22-2002, 03:57 PM

I really have no problem with secular music, and I love MxPx, and there's nothing wrong with .rod laver. I just wouldn't call them a Christian band considering that next to none of their lyrics have anything to say about God. I'm not criticizing secular music at all.

"BrooksB" · 08-24-2002, 12:22 AM

wow.. that was one heck of a sitting. i've been trying to avoid this thread for awhile now, fearing it would turn me away from listening to secular music. i'd read the first few pages before, and at first i was more on boogeray's side because i could find no way of justifying how i listened to secular music just for my personal pleasure. I think that for secular music to be bad to listen to on any level (whether it be trashy music w/ a bad message or have themes parallel to christianity), you would have to accept it as truth. i usually pay no attention to lyrics, just because i can't listen quickly enough to tell what they're saying, and i don't have time to sit around my room and listen to music w/ the lyrics in front of me. anyways, sometimes i find myself hearing the words to a particular song and i'll think "that's so wrong" then i'll think about the truth that could take its place-- like you guys were saying, it can help to understand what people think, and know why it is wrong without saying stuff like "that stuff is the devil's tool!". here's my example: i first noticed this when i listened to a sublime song called "Johnny Butt" (i think that's the name). in that song he says "so shoot it up, shoot it up-- it just don't matter". i was just thinking about how hopeless that is and how we should never just give up on ourselves (like job-- he didn't completely give up, he kept praising God).

plus-- not only would we have to give up forms of secular art like classical music/literature, but what about some good ole visual art?? would we have to gve up monet, manet, van gogh, picasso and the like???

on the other hand, music has taken some of the same turns in evolution in the 20th century as visual art has. just like new rising art periods come accompanied with manifestos that touch on philosophy and a general attitude or way of life that are associated with that art, music genres come accompanied with unspoken manifestos that stereotype each genre with a certain attitude and character. does anyone get what i'm sayin here?? i guess it comes to this-- as long as you don't embody that "manifesto" and remain an onlooker of music as an artform, then you're not embracing the values of the world, but retaining your own values (as you've adopted from the Bible) and offering a different way of interpreting music. does that make sense to you guys??

boogeray · 08-24-2002, 06:09 AM

[hjackson]However, you need not assume that our faith is weaker for listening to it.

[boogeray]oh but it's OK for you and the rest to assume that anybody that don't listen to it has weaker faith?...............it has nothing at all to do with weaker faith, but all to do with compromise

Scott · 08-24-2002, 07:40 AM

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oh but it's OK for you and the rest to assume that anybody that don't listen to it has weaker faith?

Not necessarily, but given the reasons you are giving for not listening to it, then yes.

And if we were adopting the morality of the music, or behaving in the ways that the music discussed, then that would be compromise. However, objective listening is not included in this.

Oh, and simply ignoring the fact that if you ban ALL secular music you logically must ban ALL other secular work, does not make it go away.