Go Back   Christian Guitar Forum > Musicians > Guitar
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Arcade Mark Forums Read

Reply
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Unread 07-19-2007, 01:33 PM   #1
Registered User
 

Joined: Jan 2006
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 205
Hope this story may be encouragement to noobies

Just thought I'd share my experience from last night...hopefully I can encourage some of you who are just starting...

A little background: I have been playing guitar for 13 years or so (I'm 33). I have been playing lead guitar in our church's contemporary worship service for approx. 2 years. Now, bear in mind, I am SO thankful for this opportunity. We have an awesome worship team, great sound system and sound guys, and the service is pretty big by church service standards--we usually run 1000-1100 in the contemporary service (with another 1000-1100 in the "blended" service). I thank God every week for letting me have the chance to play every week in this service. Such a blessing.

The only problem is, we are a Baptist church, and although the band cuts loose pretty good with the music most of the time (think Tomlin live show), the congregation is, well, ...... Baptist. I think they've come a long way in worship participation, but no one would drop in and mistake the crowd for charismatics.

Fast forward to last night. Our band had the opportunity to play at a summer youth camp. My first time. Good crowd, not quite as big as our worship services (prob. 400 or so).....but man, they were FIRED UP. Packed in front of the stage (instead of staying in the pews), hopping up and down, singing with all they had, most importantly, having an awesome time worshiping God.

It was just one of those moments. It was like the culmination of all of those hours and hours and years and years of practice, like all that time had been designed for this exact moment. I was even thinking that during the middle of the set, about how all those hours of struggling were so worth it. We finished with "Your Grace Is Enough" (just like the Passion 2005 album version), and just as we ended, I seriously thought, I could die right now and be satisfied.

So, the short of it is, having played a summer youth camp with all that energy and participation, I'm afraid it's LIKE CHRISTIAN CRACK COCAINE and I'm hooked. The camp has already booked us for a whole week next year. I can't wait.

Sorry for the long post. Just thought it might be encouragement to someone who is just picking up the guitar and it feels like the most awkward thing ever in your hands and you're thinking "will I ever learn to play this stupid thing?" I was where you are, and let me tell you, keep with it. It's worth it.

PS--Please don't respond and chastise me for mistaking the value of worship with a loud crowd or whatever. Trust me, I seriously enjoy deep, moving times of worship every week in our church service. But anyone would be lying to say that from the perspective of purely just having fun, playing to a hopping crowd isn't a blast.

plawren53202 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Unread 07-19-2007, 01:47 PM   #2
Banned
 
mr_strat's Avatar
 

Joined: Apr 2007
Location: Aberdeen, WA
Posts: 79
Send a message via ICQ to mr_strat Send a message via MSN to mr_strat Send a message via Yahoo to mr_strat
Hope nobody was dancing. :-)

I play with a worship team about twice a month in a Baptist church. There are generally 250-300 in the morning service. It's a blended service, so of the five or six songs, two have to be from the hymnal.

But regardless of the tempo, we always try to play with feeling and to involve the congregation.

The worst part is that they always clap on 1 & 3. :-)
mr_strat is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 07-19-2007, 03:30 PM   #3
...
 
thesteve's Avatar
 

Joined: Apr 2001
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 30,143
Send a message via AIM to thesteve
Doing worship at youth camps has always been a blast for me as well. I've found that kids in the 11-13 age range (jr. highers) haven't quite had their sense of "self-esteem" developed yet and in turn tend to cut loose a bit more than other age groups do.
__________________
We've all got ideas. We are the music makers. We make money to buy things, and write down words.

I'm a podcaster
thesteve is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 07-19-2007, 04:30 PM   #4
Moderator
 
nbfan's Avatar
 

Joined: Apr 2006
Location: The Star Destroyer Chimeara
Posts: 4,957
Quote:
Originally Posted by thesteve View Post
Doing worship at youth camps has always been a blast for me as well. I've found that kids in the 11-13 age range (jr. highers) haven't quite had their sense of "self-esteem" developed yet and in turn tend to cut loose a bit more than other age groups do.
I sorta know what you mean. At that point, you're trying to act cool and not let it all out in that situation.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by gtrdave View Post
The key to great tone is really found in the kind of hand soap that you use.
For years I used a typical off-the-shelf bar-type soap and I had no idea that, even though I rinsed properly and thoroughly after every cleansing, there was still a soap scum residue on my hands and fingers.
This negatively affected my tone in ways that I just can't describe.
Then, on a whim, a few years ago I wandered into a Bath and Body Works store at a local mall and picked up some of their gentle foaming anti-bacterial hand cleansers.
The difference in my guitar's sound is so wickedly improved that I no longer feel the need to buy a new amp or pedals or even strings...EVER!
So, it's my belief that tone is in the soap.
Thank you and goodnight.
nbfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 07-19-2007, 08:28 PM   #5
Registered User
 

Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 129
This is very inspiring for me. On August 29th, my band will be given the opportunity to lead worship for the Jr. High age at church camp. I will also be attending the Sr. Camp. The Jr. Camp averages 100 or so every year, which is a big group for such a rural area. I'm extremely excited about having the chance to use my talents to praise God and lead others in worship. My church has been a traditional for 100 years, and will more than likely be a traditional until the return of Christ. I have been trying to integrate some Praise & Worship music into our services, but with little success. It has been very disappointing to me, and I'm not making very much progress with the integration. Hopefully this camp will rejuvenate my spirits and keep me going strong.
__________________
My Gear:

Electric Guitar
Fender Standard Stratocaster

Acoustic Guitar
Ovation Celebrity GC057

Amplifiers
Fender FM 210R
Crate Power Block
Marshall MG412 Cabinet

Effects
GNX 3
Boss DS-1
B429R is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 07-19-2007, 10:14 PM   #6
Beware the Chinchilla's Wrath
 
Chinchilla of Doom's Avatar
 

Joined: Jun 2007
Location: Deep South in a burrow
Posts: 1,862
Worship+youth camp=awesome!

Camps always seem to have the best worships ever. I don't know what it is but I always get way more fired up, and see people get way more fired up at youth camps and such.


I currently play on Friday nights of my small, new youth group(about 20 kids) and can't wait till we grow and start youth camps. Cause then I'll get to play for some and that has been a dream of mine for some time.
Chinchilla of Doom is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 07-20-2007, 04:56 AM   #7
Tired of being attacked
 
BillSPrestonEsq's Avatar
 

Joined: Jun 2001
Location: Beaverton, Or
Posts: 40,448
I don't mean this to be a slam on anyone, but as much as I love playing on Sundays, I really don't care how much people move or whether they look silent and are not so much as clapping there hands. Largely, thats because I know that if I was in the congregation, truly worshiping, Id be standing their rather still.

In fact it irks me a bit when certain members complain that first service was "not worshiping." Its not as if that is something we can truly know and judge. Perhaps the exuberance is a false display? Perhaps the sedate people singing along are worshiping their God? Its really not something I want to find myself worked up over. If I was playing solely for their entertainment, I would want them moshing their hearts out. But I am not, so I really don't care.

I play at a Calvary Chapel, so we are somewhere between Southern Baptist and swinging from the chandeliers. and my most disturbing part was when I played a solo and the youth group erupted into applause and whistles. Maybe its me. Maybe I am just cranky.
__________________
For this I will be judged.


My Life.
BillSPrestonEsq is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 07-20-2007, 05:21 AM   #8
Registered User
 
katmetal's Avatar
 

Joined: Jul 2007
Location: PA
Posts: 416
Quote:
I don't mean this to be a slam on anyone, but as much as I love playing on Sundays, I really don't care how much people move or whether they look silent and are not so much as clapping there hands. Largely, thats because I know that if I was in the congregation, truly worshiping, Id be standing their rather still.

In fact it irks me a bit when certain members complain that first service was "not worshiping." Its not as if that is something we can truly know and judge. Perhaps the exuberance is a false display? Perhaps the sedate people singing along are worshiping their God? Its really not something I want to find myself worked up over. If I was playing solely for their entertainment, I would want them moshing their hearts out. But I am not, so I really don't care.

I play at a Calvary Chapel, so we are somewhere between Southern Baptist and swinging from the chandeliers. and my most disturbing part was when I played a solo and the youth group erupted into applause and whistles. Maybe its me. Maybe I am just cranky.
Well, I wouldn't want to accuse anyone of being cranky, lol

Funny thing is, I feel a lot like that too. I believe it has a lot to do with my personality type. I am a metal head, always have been, but I am also kind of shy, slightly reserved... I love to rock out & get "into it", but for *normal* church services I lean towards worshiping in the manner of "be still & know that I am God".

Maybe I am getting old...nah, I've always been like that. The nice thing is that everyone is free to worship in their own unique manner, as we are all made up of different characteristics & have different preferences.

I have played at "rockin'" pentecostal churches which love to get wild with country - gospel style music, & other church members would try to forcefully coerce you into movin' & dancin' with them, which I didn't find appealing at all.

Again, not everyone is natured the same way. I guess it comes down to me being "cranky" as well!

Put me in the same pew with BillSPrestonEsq!
katmetal is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 07-20-2007, 07:25 AM   #9
Godin/Seagull Man
 
presbystrat's Avatar
 

Joined: Mar 2005
Location: Amarillo, TX
Posts: 2,796
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq View Post
I don't mean this to be a slam on anyone, but as much as I love playing on Sundays, I really don't care how much people move or whether they look silent and are not so much as clapping there hands. Largely, thats because I know that if I was in the congregation, truly worshiping, Id be standing their rather still.
I try not to pay attention to what people in the congregation are doing. I worship among "Frozen Chosen" Presbyterians who hardly ever outwardly show emotion in worship. I try to focus on worshipping God myself. A good service for me is when I have truly given myself to God in worship; it has a lot more to do with what is going on in my own heart than what other people are doing. It also seems have very little to do with how well I played or sang; it has more to do with how well I worshiped. That being said, it is still very exciting to worship with a group that is more lively. I try not to get addicted to it though.
__________________
My Rig

Seagull Artist Series Mosiac--> K&K SBT + mic-->K&K Trinity Preamp-->BBE 362 Sonic Maximizer

Godin SDxt (GFS Vintage '59 humbuckers, GFS Premium Overwound single coil) -->Fender Blues Junior

The Holy Spirit (who turns all my foolishness into beautiful praise to the Father)
presbystrat is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 07-20-2007, 07:45 AM   #10
Heaven isn't too far away
 
gtrdave's Avatar
 

Joined: Dec 2004
Location: The First State
Posts: 6,730
Send a message via AIM to gtrdave
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq View Post
I don't mean this to be a slam on anyone, but as much as I love playing on Sundays, I really don't care how much people move or whether they look silent and are not so much as clapping there hands. Largely, thats because I know that if I was in the congregation, truly worshiping, Id be standing their rather still.

In fact it irks me a bit when certain members complain that first service was "not worshiping." Its not as if that is something we can truly know and judge. Perhaps the exuberance is a false display? Perhaps the sedate people singing along are worshiping their God? Its really not something I want to find myself worked up over. If I was playing solely for their entertainment, I would want them moshing their hearts out. But I am not, so I really don't care.

I play at a Calvary Chapel, so we are somewhere between Southern Baptist and swinging from the chandeliers. and my most disturbing part was when I played a solo and the youth group erupted into applause and whistles. Maybe its me. Maybe I am just cranky.
I hear what you're saying and in some ways I might agree but I do understand the emotions that can occur for both people on the platform and those in the congregation when a room of hundreds and even thousands of people are all exhibiting high-levels of enthusiasm in Jesus' name.
It can be life changing, for sure, but I think the greater concept that the OP was trying to make (I think) was that an experience like this may be a finite example of what will be happening in the infinite; that our 'worship' gatherings here on Earth are but a very limited picture of what they'll be like in Heaven.

I get excited about that and I don't understand why others would not but I've got to remember that God took this former frozen-chosen Methodist/Baptist/Congregational boy and gave him a reason to shout, dance and sing.
If God can do it for me then He can change any old Baptist.
__________________
Lead, follow and get out of the way.

youtube
facebook
cd baby
gtrdave is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 07-20-2007, 07:56 AM   #11
Registered User
 
†never†alone†'s Avatar
 

Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 80
I completely and fully agree with evereything above said. People worship in different ways, just like Singing songs and Building a house can both be seen as acts of worship, im pretty sure that jumping up and down and being completely still are both accts of worship.

I often lose track of what the congregation is doing because its between me and God when i worship. but when leading into worship honestly there is nothing more amazing than seeing a completely packed out auditorium with every eye closed and you can just feel that everyone there is giving everything they have to God.
__________________

CS Signature---->VOX AC30 (YEAH BABY! FINALLY!)

now its time to load up on pedals...
†never†alone† is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 07-20-2007, 08:12 AM   #12
Registered User
 

Joined: Jan 2006
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 205
Please note the "PS" in my original post...I definitely did not intend for this thread to become a debate about worship styles, though I feared that would happen. Just for the record, I personally tend to be much more inward and contemplative in my own personal worship style, to the point that my wife often teases me. I have been in worship services that were incredibly powerful worship experiences in times of complete silence, and I have been in completely non-worshipful services that were much more energetic.


My original post was much less deep than that. Got to play at my first youth summer camp. They were pumped. It was fun. Not a commentary on whether they were worshiping "more" than anyone else in any other congregation I've ever played for.

I believe God gives us talents like music to use for His glory. But I think He also intends that we can have fun with them too. And that was the point of my original post, trying to encourage newbies at this...all those hours and hours of hard work, sitting alone and trying to plow through scales or learn some funky chord can seem anything but fun. But stick with it and it will be worth it.
plawren53202 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 07-20-2007, 08:49 AM   #13
Godin/Seagull Man
 
presbystrat's Avatar
 

Joined: Mar 2005
Location: Amarillo, TX
Posts: 2,796
Quote:
Originally Posted by plawren53202 View Post
Please note the "PS" in my original post...I definitely did not intend for this thread to become a debate about worship styles, though I feared that would happen. Just for the record, I personally tend to be much more inward and contemplative in my own personal worship style, to the point that my wife often teases me. I have been in worship services that were incredibly powerful worship experiences in times of complete silence, and I have been in completely non-worshipful services that were much more energetic.


My original post was much less deep than that. Got to play at my first youth summer camp. They were pumped. It was fun. Not a commentary on whether they were worshiping "more" than anyone else in any other congregation I've ever played for.

I believe God gives us talents like music to use for His glory. But I think He also intends that we can have fun with them too. And that was the point of my original post, trying to encourage newbies at this...all those hours and hours of hard work, sitting alone and trying to plow through scales or learn some funky chord can seem anything but fun. But stick with it and it will be worth it.
I totally agree with you. I didn't see you PS the first time around. Sorry if I took anything away from your awesome experience by getting on one of my hobby horses (just put all three of us in the Cranky pew). Those times are truly to be relished because, like GtrDave said, they are a glimpse of heaven. I think it will be a wonderful party when we get there.
__________________
My Rig

Seagull Artist Series Mosiac--> K&K SBT + mic-->K&K Trinity Preamp-->BBE 362 Sonic Maximizer

Godin SDxt (GFS Vintage '59 humbuckers, GFS Premium Overwound single coil) -->Fender Blues Junior

The Holy Spirit (who turns all my foolishness into beautiful praise to the Father)
presbystrat is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 07-20-2007, 10:20 AM   #14
Registered User
 

Joined: Jan 2006
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 205
No, I hear you, I get offended when people suggest that you can't be truly worshiping unless you are physcially expressive of it, because I rarely tend to be physically expressive myself (it would be very rare that I would even raise my hands in worship).

However, I enjoy being in a crowd of expressive worshipers, and more germaine to this discussion, I found out I enjoy (from a purely "fun" perspective) playing in front of that kind of crowd. My wife always teases me that I would hate playing in front of a crowd filled with people like me.
plawren53202 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 07-20-2007, 11:39 AM   #15
Registered User
 
†never†alone†'s Avatar
 

Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 80
hahaha sorry bro! worship is great! i love it and i wouldnt trade the experiences ive had for anything!
__________________

CS Signature---->VOX AC30 (YEAH BABY! FINALLY!)

now its time to load up on pedals...
†never†alone† is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:17 PM.


Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2