[GmajGirl]

Originally Posted by Nate

GmajGirl: Do you enjoy secular books? Secular television shows? Secular comic strips? Secular artwork? Secular photography? Secular movies? Secular newscasts? Secular . . . well, you get the point.

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Do you defend Christianity as hard as you do the things of the "world"?

[tigerfan88]

Getting back to your original post, not all secular artists have lyrics which are un-Christian like. Take U2, for instance. They're not a Christian band, they're a secular band. They have very spiritual lyrics. Is it wrong to listen to them because they're not a Christian band? Or what about the Beatles? Or Led Zeppelin? Or Audioslave? Is it wrong to listen to these bands just because they're not Christian? I mean, they do have pretty clean lyrics that aren't un-Christian, but they're all secular bands with some very good messages.

[Nate]

Originally Posted by GmajGirl

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Do you defend Christianity as hard as you do the things of the "world"?

Harder... but you haven't answered the question.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by GmajGirl

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Do you defend Christianity as hard as you do the things of the "world"?

Are you kidding? Nate pointed out the double standards of those who condemn listening to secular music. By writing it off with a cute phrase you're choosing to have a shallow world view.

[Rainer.]

Agreed. I mean, seriously, Disney songs have no Christian content at all and are by all means "secular music", and would you condemn those?

[GmajGirl]

Originally Posted by Nate

Harder... but you haven't answered the question.

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My answer to your question is yes I do but I was just musing on the notion and throwing out thoughts on the topic.

[GmajGirl]

Originally Posted by Sean

Are you kidding? Nate pointed out the double standards of those who condemn listening to secular music. By writing it off with a cute phrase you're choosing to have a shallow world view.

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You, Sir, have completely missed the point all together. All Christians live with one foot in the World and one foot with God. But the day will come when all Christians are going to have to pick a side. We all like secular things, but they are not Christian. If you wish to defend them and say they are Christian then you have a lot to learn. I have nothing more to say on the subject.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by GmajGirl

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You, Sir, have completely missed the point all together. All Christians live with one foot in the World and one foot with God. But the day will come when all Christians are going to have to pick a side. We all like secular things, but they are not Christian. If you wish to defend them and say they are Christian then you have a lot to learn. I have nothing more to say on the subject.

No, you're missing the point. The internet is not of "the world." Television is not of "the world." Photos are not of "the world." Newscasts are not of "the world." Music is not of "the world." All of your "Christian" and "Secular" labels are artificial. Just because something isn't labeled Christian doesn't mean its inherently evil and of "the world," in the biblical sense. And simply because something is labeled "Christian" doesn't mean its biblical or godly.

[JerRocks2day]

If you're really interested in "learning from talented musicians," concerts really aren't the best venue for that. At a concert, you don't get close enough to see what they're doing, the music is too loud to listen analytically to what they're doing, and you're supposed to be there enjoying what they're doing anyway and not learning from it. There are probably bazillions of videos of Neil Peart out there, probably many in studio settings where you can really get a close look at what he's doing. Same thing for other instrumentalists, I'm sure. www.drummerworld.com has lots of good stuff for drums. Search around for the equivalent for other instruments. You don't learn by going to concerts, and that's not really why you want to go in the first place, I bet. Just admit to yourself that you're bummed that your mom doesn't want you to go to concerts of your favorite bands. Sure, it may suck, but she has her reasons and you need to respect them, even if does mean missing the show of the century.

Thanks for the link.

As for good news, if Dream Theater comes around, she might get me and some family members/friends some tickets just because of the fact that most of the members are Christian.

Also, if anybody wants to talk about Christian music in relation to secular music, go to the forum on sec. music.

[Nate]

Originally Posted by GmajGirl

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You, Sir, have completely missed the point all together. All Christians live with one foot in the World and one foot with God. But the day will come when all Christians are going to have to pick a side. We all like secular things, but they are not Christian. If you wish to defend them and say they are Christian then you have a lot to learn. I have nothing more to say on the subject.

I wasn't trying to say that secular art was Christian and thus defend it in that manner. It clearly isn't Christian, but that doesn't mean it is absolutely worthless or inappropriate for a Christian to enjoy. I was simply pointing out that people like you generally have no issue with a large majority of secular television (do you watch the news?), secular movies (have you ever watched and enjoyed a secular film?), secular books (ever read a book by someone who was not a Christian?), etc, but when the topic of secular music comes up, suddenly we're in a different planet where anything that isn't gung-ho for Jesus or isn't produced by a Christian artist is automatically worthless and wrong. It just doesn't make sense. If the music is not blaspheming God or otherwise promoting immorality, why does it have to be "Christian" to be worth listening to? What about traditional love songs? Classical opera? Do you really think Christians should avoid all of this?

[Nate]

Originally Posted by JerRocks2day

Also, if anybody wants to talk about Christian music in relation to secular music, go to the forum on sec. music.

I think it's relevant to this thread. If Christians should not ever listen to secular music or go to secular concerts, then you have absolutely no argument against your mom's decision. If, however, Christians have the freedom to enjoy secular music, then you may have a point that you can discuss with your mom, although at this moment you must respect her judgment and live by her rules.