[ibanez_dude]

But how can you accept Christ's forgiveness for suicide after you have died? I am not sure where I stand on this topic, but just to throw it out there, if you commit suicide, you have died intentionally committing a sinful act, and you have no chance to repent, cause after all, you are dead.

[RawkforChrist]

Originally Posted by ibanez_dude

But how can you accept Christ's forgiveness for suicide after you have died? I am not sure where I stand on this topic, but just to throw it out there, if you commit suicide, you have died intentionally committing a sinful act, and you have no chance to repent, cause after all, you are dead.

It's not about accepting it after you have died
You would have accepted Christ before you died
that is when you are redeemed of all sins
meaning eternal security
though you must still ask forgiveness for sins for your Spirit's sake (I don't know if spirit should be capatalized but whatever)
basically you're stuck with a sin that you didn't ask for forgiveness for when you get to heaven
that is if you were saved before you comitted suicide..........
(and I would suggest comitting suicide to find out either...)

*Edit
just an F.Y.I. I think redbaron's (sorry your name escapes me) post makes this a whole lot clearer than what I said.......

[bobthecockroach]

Originally Posted by ibanez_dude

But how can you accept Christ's forgiveness for suicide after you have died? I am not sure where I stand on this topic, but just to throw it out there, if you commit suicide, you have died intentionally committing a sinful act, and you have no chance to repent, cause after all, you are dead.

Salvation isn't about repenting of every sin you commit. It's about accepting God's offer of Christ as your atonement. Think about what you're saying. If you had to repent of each sin you committed or else you went to Hell, your entire salvation would based on the last thing you did before you died. If the last thing you did was sin, you'd go to Hell. If the last thing you did was repent, you'd go to Heaven. That is not salvation. That's living in constant fear that you'll forget a sin or that you'll die suddenly after committing a sin without having a chance to repent. How could you ever say you were "saved" if you could be lost again just by intentionally committing a sinful act? What kind of salvation is that? It's certainly not any kind of salvation I'm interested in. Praise God that He actually forgives our sins when we are saved and doesn't make us repent of each and every one, otherwise we're screwed.

[+SEAL+]

Eternal security is an entirely different can of worms, but in the case of "is suicide a one-way ticket to Hell?"...well, I can certainly tell you it ain't a two-way ticket to Hell and back.

And as for the rest...well, we can't really judge. Judge not lest ye be judged. We can't be certain that anyone will or won't end up in Hell or Heaven based on their earthly actions.

[ibanez_dude]

Originally Posted by bobthecockroach

Salvation isn't about repenting of every sin you commit. It's about accepting God's offer of Christ as your atonement. Think about what you're saying. If you had to repent of each sin you committed or else you went to Hell, your entire salvation would based on the last thing you did before you died. If the last thing you did was sin, you'd go to Hell. If the last thing you did was repent, you'd go to Heaven. That is not salvation. That's living in constant fear that you'll forget a sin or that you'll die suddenly after committing a sin without having a chance to repent. How could you ever say you were "saved" if you could be lost again just by intentionally committing a sinful act? What kind of salvation is that? It's certainly not any kind of salvation I'm interested in. Praise God that He actually forgives our sins when we are saved and doesn't make us repent of each and every one, otherwise we're screwed.

Yeh, that makes sense.
But if you are saying that Salvation is accepting God's gift of redemption, isn't committing suicide like saying, "Yeh God, I know you gave us salvation and you died for our sins, but I have had it with your world, even in its redeemed state."? Isn't that what you are saying to God? He gave you life, and now you are throwing it away.

[bobthecockroach]

Originally Posted by ibanez_dude

Yeh, that makes sense.
But if you are saying that Salvation is accepting God's gift of redemption, isn't committing suicide like saying, "Yeh God, I know you gave us salvation and you died for our sins, but I have had it with your world, even in its redeemed state."? Isn't that what you are saying to God? He gave you life, and now you are throwing it away.

Sure. The Bible doesn't say that you'll go to Hell for throwing away God's gift of life, though. Besides which, the world is not in its redeemed state. We are.

[sunsurfer]

Originally Posted by bobthecockroach

Sure. The Bible doesn't say that you'll go to Hell for throwing away God's gift of life, though. Besides which, the world is not in its redeemed state. We are.

No, but it does say you go to Hell for not accepting his gift of life. Commiting suicide is taking your life out of God's hands, and your trust as well.

[Valerie Michele]

Originally Posted by Cruelty*free

If you are a saved Christian and you commit suicide I believe you will go to heaven because you've accepted him but I believe there will also be a penatly.

Penalty = You're dead.

Ok, seriously, how can there be a penalty once you're already in heaven?

[Valerie Michele]

Originally Posted by sunsurfer

No, but it does say you go to Hell for not accepting his gift of life. Commiting suicide is taking your life out of God's hands, and your trust as well.

Not following God's guidance and direction for your life also shows a lack of trust in God and is in essence taking your life in your own hands, but it certainly does not condemn you to Hell... so why should suicide?

[BillSPrestonEsq]

Originally Posted by sunsurfer

No, but it does say you go to Hell for not accepting his gift of life. Commiting suicide is taking your life out of God's hands, and your trust as well.

It says that you go to hell for rejecting the son. If you accept the son, you have life.

And suicide and its implications have far greater impacts than when one chooses to die for selfish reasons. I can think of numerous cases in the early church and modern history where someone sacrificially lays down their life so that others may live. I think of a particular pastor who took a Jew's place in the gas chamber at Auschwitz. He chose to die, specifically so a father could live to raise his daughter.

Now that has all the same implications as suicide as far as choosing to die if there were some sort of fast-track to hell clause. It is in fact a form of suicide, though not the normal, my life sucks and I wish to die sort.

We can judge that suicide dooes not send a person to hell, simply because scripture tells us what is worthy of hell, and the suicide of one whose sins are forgiven by the blood of Jesus Christ in no way meets that criteria.

Do not get me wrong, suicide is tragic and wrong, but scripture in no way makes it an unforgiveable sin.

[Jenacen]

Originally Posted by Valerie Michele

Penalty = You're dead.

Ok, seriously, how can there be a penalty once you're already in heaven?

Only other ones I can think of is that you will miss out on all the heavenly rewards that you could have gained if you decided to live and keep following God's will for your life. Adding to that, there's the realization that some good things could have happened in the world (eg. more people getting saved), but won't now. The Bible says we'll each give an account of what we've done with our lives, and I can't imagine just cutting ourselves off is going to look too good (no pun intended).

[Valerie Michele]

Originally Posted by Jenacen

Only one I can think of is that you will miss out on all the heavenly rewards that you could have gained if you decided to live and keep following God's will for your life.

That's true, I hadn't thought of that.

[sunsurfer]

[Nathanael]

If you're a born again Christian, living under the blood of christ with the Spirit of God dwelling in you, why would you commit suicide? Killing yourself would be a desperate, selfish solution rather than commiting your problems to God. The Bible does say that our body is the Temple of the lord, and destroying it is not exactly pleasing to God. Though the scripture may not say you go straight to hell for commiting suicide, I don't understand why heaven would take you.

As Christians, our primary purpose would be to obey God and our concern would be whether we pleased him. To willfully end the strugle and take the life that God has gave us is completely out of line with a Christian mentality. Why is everyone taking such a weak position on this?

Originally Posted by Rock 'n Christ

no, suicide will not send you straight to Hell, unless youre not a born-again Christian.

This is the most annoying and poorly thought out concept I've ever seen here. So should all the unsaved kill themselves to secure passage to heaven? Why don't we preach suicide instead of salvation? And what would the unsaved be lacking that God wants if He took them as they are, un-regenerated and sinful?

[BillSPrestonEsq]

Originally Posted by Nathanael

If you're a born again Christian, living under the blood of christ with the Spirit of God dwelling in you, why would you commit suicide? Killing yourself would be a desperate, selfish solution rather than commiting your problems to God. The Bible does say that our body is the Temple of the lord, and destroying it is not exactly pleasing to God. Though the scripture may not say you go straight to hell for commiting suicide, I don't understand why heaven would take you.

Note that when it says your body is the temple of the Lord it states very specifically that all sins other than sexual immorality are done outside the body. That passage speaks of sexual immorality as the only way to defile the temple of the Lord.

However, you are proposing here that heaven takes us based on our own merit.

As Christians, our primary purpose would be to obey God and our concern would be whether we pleased him. To willfully end the strugle and take the life that God has gave us is completely out of line with a Christian mentality. Why is everyone taking such a weak position on this?

Because its the stand scripture takes. Scripture never condemns suicide to hell. Also, believers can reach lows in their life where they consider suicide. Is the grace of God too weak to cover that?

This is the most annoying and poorly thought out concept I've ever seen here. So should all the unsaved kill themselves to secure passage to heaven? Why don't we preach suicide instead of salvation? And what would the unsaved be lacking that God wants if He took them as they are, un-regenerated and sinful?

I think you either misunderstood him or else you are intentionally strawmanning him. What he is saying, is if you are an unbeliever who commits suicide, you go to hell, if you are a believer, heaven. He is saying quite the opposite of what you charge him with.