[JerRocks2day]

Has anybody here heard of "The Way of the Master" featuring Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron? I own their Evidence Bible and I've watched their Television show on TBN. Anyone like the program?

[thesteve]

from what I've seen as WOTM, it works, however I know alot of people see WOTM and declare it the only valid form of evangelism. I don't know if this is espoused by the group itself, but if it was it'd definitely raise red flags in my mind.

[bobthecockroach]

Could someone explain basically what it is?

[Insane Drummer]

An evangelical method that focuses on sin and the ten commandments.

[jfahler03]

I personally see Comfort and Cameron as pretty embarassing. Just watch their recent Nightline performance...

...in my opinion the atheists they debated did a pretty bad job, too...

[JerRocks2day]

I used some of their methods to try to show some kids at my school the way to the Lord. I asked 2 people a couple of the 10 commandments and to see if they responded honestly. Some of the responses were absurd, but hopefully, the conversation we had sowed a seed into there hearts that wouldn't return void.

[GmajGirl]

Originally Posted by JerRocks2day

Has anybody here heard of "The Way of the Master" featuring Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron? I own their Evidence Bible and I've watched their Television show on TBN. Anyone like the program?

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Hi, yes I have heard of "The Way of the Master" I've checked out their website as well its really great!

[domnastics]

I enjoy it a lot. I think that the sheer amount of evangelism that they do is admirable, even if sometimes they act a little foolish.

As far as the claim for it being the only way to do evangelism, I think that they are sincere in claiming that using the law to bring about a knowledge of sin before presenting the pearl of the Gospel is the method that is consistently shown in Scripture. The pithy way of saying is: the Good News doesn't make sense without the bad news. I don't know about claiming the exclusivity of the method, but it does seem that it is consistent throughout the Bible.

I can't wait to see what this thread does because I know I've had discussions with some people here that are not too big on WOTM.

[bobthecockroach]

Originally Posted by domnastics

I don't know about claiming the exclusivity of the method, but it does seem that it is consistent throughout the Bible.

... where?

[RawkforChrist]

If I remember correctly Way of the Master focuses on the Ten Commandments
and also the OT Law on bringing one to Christ
but then once using this law they show them the NT where Jesus said the thing about using the Law to lead to him or whatever it was......(I'm really not brushed up on this I haven't seen it in almost a year)
I really don't mind it that much
but I'm not gonna go out on the streets and preform it
just because I don't like doing that sort of stuff
I'd rather make friends with people before throwing the gospel at them
But that's just me

EDIT
I hope you understand that
if not go look up wayofthemaster.org I think
it might be com though
and it might be neither

[Sean]

Yeah these guys are great! They provide not only practical help but also great fun. I recently received my copy of Intelligent Design vs. Evolution: the board game. My wife and I can't get enough of this game. We compete for brain cards and we're learning too.

I personally see Comfort and Cameron as pretty embarassing. Just watch their recent Nightline performance...

...in my opinion the atheists they debated did a pretty bad job, too...

Did Kirk and the atheist play Intelligent Design Vs. Evolution: the board game? Who had more brain cards at the end of the debate?

[bread man]

Someone tried to evangelise to me with this one time. When I was at a Christian conference looking after a group of kids with my youth group. It seemed to me like there are better places to evangelise, but maybe I was wrong.

[BillSPrestonEsq]

Personally, I was less than impressed watching Ray Comfort at the Santa Monica Promenade the few times I went. The attitude seemed egotistical, self-righteous, haphazard, and answering a fool according to his folly. Personally, it tends to come off to me as zeal without knowledge.


Also, I seriously wonder about their usage of the law. It seems like they cherry pick from the Mosaic Law. A smart atheist with even a rudimentary knowledge of the Mosaic Law could shred them.

Paul mentions that he was like one without the law to those without the law which seems antithetical to this method. Personally, I feel its a fundamentally fatally flawed method.

I have found that far more effective is developing genuine relationships with non-believers. There is not a biblical instance of the "way of the master" used by Jesus Christ.

[domnastics]

Originally Posted by bobthecockroach

... where?

In Mark 10 Jesus deals with the rich young ruler. The RYR asks Jesus what to do to be saved. Jesus walks him through some of the commandments and the RYR proclaims his own righteousness by saying that he has kept them all since he was a child. Jesus then told him to go sell his possessions and give to the poor. The man went away because he was too attached to his wealth. Jesus used the law to try and lead the man to repentance, but because there was no contrition over his sins (self-righteousness), he could not go any further.

In Romans 7 Paul is in his theme about the law and the righteousness achieved apart from the law. Forget the discussion for now about whether the "law" is the tablets of stone or the law written on our hearts. What is important here is that Paul says that if were not for the law, he would not have known what sin was. Now there's no doubt that the Gospel involves repentance. Before repentance can happen, there must be a knowledge of sin. Therefore, when evangelizing to people, the Bible says that law will bring about that knowledge of sin.

That's a plain example of Jesus and plain example from Paul. The other point I want to make is piggy-backing off of the last paragraph. We know that the Gospel is "repent and believe" (Mark 1:15). We also know that God opposes the proud and gives grace to the humble (James 4:6). Then I don't think that it is that far of a leap to say that someone with too much pride cannot truly repent (def., a changing of one's mind and behavior; usually out of contrition). Therefore, to humble yourself for repentance, you should see yourself as God sees you, with all your sin. This view should humble you and drive you to your face in repentance.

I think that some of the concepts of repentance and the leaps I was making in the last argument are things that were common to a lot of Old Covenant people, but are not to us because of our culture.

Hope that helps.

[domnastics]

Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq

Personally, I was less than impressed watching Ray Comfort at the Santa Monica Promenade the few times I went. The attitude seemed egotistical, self-righteous, haphazard, and answering a fool according to his folly. Personally, it tends to come off to me as zeal without knowledge.


Also, I seriously wonder about their usage of the law. It seems like they cherry pick from the Mosaic Law. A smart atheist with even a rudimentary knowledge of the Mosaic Law could shred them.

Paul mentions that he was like one without the law to those without the law which seems antithetical to this method. Personally, I feel its a fundamentally fatally flawed method.

I have found that far more effective is developing genuine relationships with non-believers. There is not a biblical instance of the "way of the master" used by Jesus Christ.

I agree with you that their use of "the law" has some hermeneutical deficiencies. So I'm not crazy about that. But I still think the theory is appropriate.