[BillSPrestonEsq]

Originally Posted by domnastics

That is unfortunate.

It was a very defining point for me. Theoretical theology became infinitely less important to me than how a theology is lived out.

Good point, I did not think of that. Your analysis is commendable. Every analogy, after all, does have a flaw.

Its not a flaw in the analogy persay, its integral to it.

However, it is an interesting thought that even if there were no heaven for believers and Jesus did not die to atone our sins and there was no atonement should we all still repent? Yes we should. Regardless if there is a chance to flee wrath to come or whatever we are responding to, the bottom line (one trick pony, if you will) is that God is the GOD of Gods and He deserves ALL honor and glory and praise and adoration and for that reason alone all men everywhere should repent.

If that were the case... and since its not, I will not go into too much detail, but theoretical deities do not interest me much, and based on Cur Deus Homo such a deity would not be inherently good, and thus not necissarily worthy of adoration.

You are getting into realms which are irrelevant to the gospel because the very real fact is, we do not worship a God who is without merciful. If we were damned to hell with no hope before we were born, why would we not hate said deity? It would be a case of maltheism, and omnipotence alone is not a basis for worship as you are claiming. Power alone is not why we worship God.

[Adam B]

I really don't know what to think of Way of the master. I used to be quite into it, but there was something about it that just "felt" wrong. Does that make any sense? I seemed to pick up not-so-subtle hints here and there that they think if you don't witness their way, then maybe you're not actually a Christian, or at least not a good one.

Another thing I've noticed - if anyone else wants to comment on this one, that would be good. I've encountered several other people both on the internet and in person who are really into "Way of the master". They all seem to talk about everything in the same terms that Ray Comfort does, they use his examples, etc - does that make sense?

But what really turned me off of them was their radio program. Todd Friel, who hosts it - his tone and his attitude just seem overly critical to me. He just seems to rant on and on about everything he thinks we're doing wrong. While I'd certainly agree that there are some problems in the church, I think he goes way overboard.

I think another thing I'd like to mention is the way that their ministry seems to view the Christian walk - if you're "soundly saved" as they put it, you'll live a certain way. I agree that once we're saved we're different, don't get me wrong. But what I'll say is this - their ministry, especially on the radio show, left me in a constant state of fear whether I'm truly saved or not, something I'm still not sure about. Every time I fell, I would be like "uh oh, this must mean I'm not saved." and I was in this never ending cycle of trying to repent the way they laid it out, falling in some way later and then going back again.