[Hopeful]

If you can't get past your concerns, buy from a brother. Buy one of Bob Weil's amps, http://visualsound.net/Amps_wh.htm. He makes wonderful gear. I have the 30 watt version and prefer it over my Rivera and any of my other amps (maybe except for my Bandmaster Reverb which I don't take out very often). It's a super clean amp that comes with the J&H pedal which provides the overdrive and distortion.

There's also a guy on Christian Musician Radio website who makes a boutique amp called Woodcross. Another Christian amp builder is Trimmed and Burnin' amps. There are other options other than the volume manufacturers that might meet your needs.

[BillSPrestonEsq]

my position is if you want a peavey amp, but do not want to support peavey... I agree with Tom, buy it used.

Personally, I have no issue with Peavey. I would never play a xXx without removing the degrading depictions of women. (weaker brother + I find it incredibly degrading and objectifying women) Personally, I doubt I would have one period as ultras and rockmasters are more my game.

Now if you buy one used, you in no way are increasing their profits. I say you can hardly find a major company that does not use sex to sell. Sad truth of a fallen world. Besides, when people think peavey, people will think bombproof before they think of sex. (You have to admit, those amps are freakishly tough)

And if you would buy Jack Daniels to drink, why would you have a problem with them making a product line with Peavey? I don't think I would buy one for church use. (The whole weaker brother thing) But them making it is no immoral thing.

I do not expect corporations to be moral. Its a fallen, cursed world. Why would I expect righteousness from a corporation?

[Hopeful]

Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq

I do not expect corporations to be moral. Its a fallen, cursed world. Why would I expect righteousness from a corporation?

Or, you could find those that are dedicated to building gear motivated by their love for God and for people. Such as corporations like Visual Sound, Trimmed and Burnin', etc. I would say these are good companies to patronize primarily because of the people behind the products and secondly, they make very good gear. Buying a used Peavey still has the downside of increasing the visibility of their product and would serve as player endorsement of the gear that carries weight in many purchasing decisions.

I would say to support your brothers and their companies. I'm sure the profits earned go to much better use than into dividends and stock options for the owners of secular corporations. It's true that I don't always look at this factor when buying any products, but it would make sense to support any Christian brother.

[BillSPrestonEsq]

Originally Posted by Hopeful

Or, you could find those that are dedicated to building gear motivated by their love for God and for people. Such as corporations like Visual Sound, Trimmed and Burnin', etc. I would say these are good companies to patronize primarily because of the people behind the products and secondly, they make very good gear. Buying a used Peavey still has the downside of increasing the visibility of their product and would serve as player endorsement of the gear that carries weight in many purchasing decisions.

I would say to support your brothers and their companies. I'm sure the profits earned go to much better use than into dividends and stock options for the owners of secular corporations. It's true that I don't always look at this factor when buying any products, but it would make sense to support any Christian brother.

I would imagine that Peavey, as a somewhat budget brand is much more affordable than the boutique and semi-boutique markets. Peavey also, though they have some products that are less than moral to my personal standards, they are not like some other companies with far more blatant stuff. They are say less so than Schecter.

They are a company that has definantly favored churches in the past, and is not really immoral. the xXx is the most blatant thing, and even then... Its not exactly heinous.

I can't afford a boutique amp at this time. Someday I hope to get one, but I will actually care more about tone than where its from, though I am leaning toward a GFC one.

[Mattlock]

You won't buy an amp because they support "immoral things?"

That's really, really, really pushing it...

[Major Tom]

Buying a used Peavey still has the downside of increasing the visibility of their product and would serve as player endorsement of the gear that carries weight in many purchasing decisions.

Good point... Of course, depending on skill level, some player's implied endorsements would have more value than other's. Some may actually have a negative value.

Don't really know why, maybe on some subconcious level I don't want to "endorse" PV, but I have the logos on my 2 Peavey amps upside down.

[Ax]

I mean, if you're gonna boycott them because of that then you should boycott every restaurant that serves annheuser-busch products because you are indirectly and in a round about fashion supporting immorality because of their advertisement campaigns...

[Hopeful]

Originally Posted by Mattlock

You won't buy an amp because they support "immoral things?"

That's really, really, really pushing it...

To me, it's a personal conviction and everyone has 'em. Nothing wrong with that nor is it a cramdown of that conviction on anyone else. This thread has got me thinking about looking for alternatives and ways to support other Christian brothers if there are any. Taking off logos or putting them upside down like Major Tom says is another way to express one's opinion and conviction.

[two4motion]

Originally Posted by AXguitar

I mean, if you're gonna boycott them because of that then you should boycott every restaurant that serves annheuser-busch products because you are indirectly and in a round about fashion supporting immorality because of their advertisement campaigns...

That's an interesting point, there are definite similarities there.

Originally Posted by Hopeful

Or, you could find those that are dedicated to building gear motivated by their love for God and for people. Such as corporations like Visual Sound, Trimmed and Burnin', etc. I would say these are good companies to patronize primarily because of the people behind the products and secondly, they make very good gear. Buying a used Peavey still has the downside of increasing the visibility of their product and would serve as player endorsement of the gear that carries weight in many purchasing decisions.

I would say to support your brothers and their companies. I'm sure the profits earned go to much better use than into dividends and stock options for the owners of secular corporations. It's true that I don't always look at this factor when buying any products, but it would make sense to support any Christian brother.

Exactly, good point. I'm all for supporting who has the best product, but not if they are blatantly against what I believe in, then I just would have to find an alternative. By the way, I don't put Peavey in this category, and I am planing on buying their Classic 30 amp.

As for Visual Sound, I'm really looking at getting their volume pedal eventually, great concept!

[mt_spiffy]

Carvin's amps are made here as well.

I buy from businesses and companies that treat me well and offer good services and values. Good customer service, and offering me a good deal, will make a loyal customer out of me.

For example, I used to boycott Guitar Center for various reasons. I went it one day while researching guitars and the manager gave me excellent customer service and offered me some excellent deals. He has skull tattoos and such and I have no idea what he believes or if he is a Christian. However he gives myself and my church excellent deals and excellent service, and has even gone out of his way to help us, and so he is the first business and person we go to when we need something. He's made a loyal customer out of me and my Pastor, who is a shrewd businessman.

Another example, I used to frequent a Christian-owned dry cleaners, in large part because they were Christian owned. However every time I went in someone was rude to me, including the owner. So they lost my business.

I prefer to assess businesses from a business perspective, and individuals from their fruit, neither from the superficial stuff. I would never buy a guitar or amp with a beer logo on it, but it doesnt bother me if a company wants to offer one.

[two4motion]

Originally Posted by mt_spiffy

Carvin's amps are made here as well.

I buy from businesses and companies that treat me well and offer good services and values. Good customer service, and offering me a good deal, will make a loyal customer out of me.

For example, I used to boycott Guitar Center for various reasons. I went it one day while researching guitars and the manager gave me excellent customer service and offered me some excellent deals. He has skull tattoos and such and I have no idea what he believes or if he is a Christian. However he gives myself and my church excellent deals and excellent service, and has even gone out of his way to help us, and so he is the first business and person we go to when we need something. He's made a loyal customer out of me and my Pastor, who is a shrewd businessman.

Another example, I used to frequent a Christian-owned dry cleaners, in large part because they were Christian owned. However every time I went in someone was rude to me, including the owner. So they lost my business.

I prefer to assess businesses from a business perspective, and individuals from their fruit, neither from the superficial stuff. I would never buy a guitar or amp with a beer logo on it, but it doesnt bother me if a company wants to offer one.

All around excellent post. And I would agree about Guitar Center, I've had both good and bad experiences there (overall, good experiences), just like Mom and Pop shops, and once you find someone you've worked with that is consistently giving you good service, then that's the way to go, I believe. Good post.

[mt_spiffy]

I always prefer to deal with locally owned businesses. However, especially when it comes to music stores, I have NOT had good experiences with the local businesses. Higher prices, and when they learn I'm looking to ask questions and possibly deal, they lose interest in trying to make a sale and move on to the next customer. Either that, or they're more than willing to discuss and deal, but something seems a little shady. And I've had more than my share of downright rude and nasty employees, managers, and owners. Are all musicians tempermental, and are everyone involved in music stores frustrated musicians?

Thanks for the kudos.

[crazychu]

Originally Posted by AXguitar

You do know that Peavey offers a church series for their pro-audio equipment and gives discounts to churches right?

where can i look into this more?

[Mattlock]

Originally Posted by AXguitar

I mean, if you're gonna boycott them because of that then you should boycott every restaurant that serves annheuser-busch products because you are indirectly and in a round about fashion supporting immorality because of their advertisement campaigns...

Exactly. If you're going to boycott one sort of product because it goes against convictions... You're left with very little options...