What is Appropriate for Christian Music?(Original 'Death-metal style Christian music)

crazychu · 04-06-2007, 06:10 PM

okay, i'm a Christian, i listen to all kinds of music ranging from country, to alternative rock, to punk, to acoustic whatever. but whenever i hear "death metal" or "death rock" or "death death" or "black metal" whatever, i get very uncomfortable and annoyed. I'm OKAY with yelling in songs, but screaming? Oh my gosh. Trying to scream your loudest in the lowest pitch possible sounds horrible. I can't even understand what the heck their saying. And when I stumble upon "Christian" deathmetal, I feel like it's very inappropriate. Don't get me wrong, I know there are Christian rap artists and Christian blues, country, alternative rock bands.

I think the reason why I feel this way is because of the lyrical content. If I listened to a CHristian country song or rap song, I would be able to hear the lyrics and distinguish whether or not it presents a positive message. When all the lyrics sound like grumbling and noise, how am i supposed to distinguish?
Even some Christian metalcore lyrics have a very dark lyrics to them. Perhaps thats the reason why secular deathmetal or whatever metal bands and Christian ones sound alike, because lyrically they almost are, musically they both sound like noise, and even the artists are consumed by the genre they play in, whether or not its for the Lord.

anathema · 04-06-2007, 06:46 PM

I didnt get the point of your post, did I miss something?

DKelly · 04-06-2007, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by crazychu

okay, i'm a Christian, i listen to all kinds of music ranging from country, to alternative rock, to punk, to acoustic whatever. but whenever i hear "death metal" or "death rock" or "death death" or "black metal" whatever, i get very uncomfortable and annoyed. I'm OKAY with yelling in songs, but screaming? Oh my gosh. Trying to scream your loudest in the lowest pitch possible sounds horrible. I can't even understand what the heck their saying. And when I stumble upon "Christian" deathmetal, I feel like it's very inappropriate. Don't get me wrong, I know there are Christian rap artists and Christian blues, country, alternative rock bands.

I think the reason why I feel this way is because of the lyrical content. If I listened to a CHristian country song or rap song, I would be able to hear the lyrics and distinguish whether or not it presents a positive message. When all the lyrics sound like grumbling and noise, how am i supposed to distinguish?
Even some Christian metalcore lyrics have a very dark lyrics to them. Perhaps thats the reason why secular deathmetal or whatever metal bands and Christian ones sound alike, because lyrically they almost are, musically they both sound like noise, and even the artists are consumed by the genre they play in, whether or not its for the Lord.

I'm with anathema; is there a point to this post other than explaining what you don't like about the genre?

rockerclb · 04-06-2007, 10:45 PM

Lyrical content is a touchy subject. If you sit down and look at the lyrics to the songs you're listening to, often times the lyrics are very bold proclaiming christianity and other positive messages. Many times i find the lyrics to many of these types of songs very uplifting. Also we shouldn't be critical of bands like these just b/c of a certain style they play. We should be supportive of these kinds of bands as long as their hearts are in the right place. You don't have to neccesarily love the music they make, but atleast respect the sacrifice that they've made by giving up their future to further the kingdom.

please don't take this post as an attack at anyone. I'm just saying that we should really not be critical of people doing the work of the Lord.

ice_wiz · 04-07-2007, 08:16 AM

If you understand what they're saying which the metalheads who do listen to it can, you will see the lyrical difference.

Ax · 04-07-2007, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by crazychu

okay, i'm a Christian, i listen to all kinds of music ranging from country, to alternative rock, to punk, to acoustic whatever. but whenever i hear "death metal" or "death rock" or "death death" or "black metal" whatever, i get very uncomfortable and annoyed. I'm OKAY with yelling in songs, but screaming? Oh my gosh. Trying to scream your loudest in the lowest pitch possible sounds horrible. I can't even understand what the heck their saying. And when I stumble upon "Christian" deathmetal, I feel like it's very inappropriate. Don't get me wrong, I know there are Christian rap artists and Christian blues, country, alternative rock bands.

I think the reason why I feel this way is because of the lyrical content. If I listened to a CHristian country song or rap song, I would be able to hear the lyrics and distinguish whether or not it presents a positive message. When all the lyrics sound like grumbling and noise, how am i supposed to distinguish?
Even some Christian metalcore lyrics have a very dark lyrics to them. Perhaps thats the reason why secular deathmetal or whatever metal bands and Christian ones sound alike, because lyrically they almost are, musically they both sound like noise, and even the artists are consumed by the genre they play in, whether or not its for the Lord.

More of my own propoganda... but you sound like you were raised in a very legalistic environment... you see all these genres as being secular first and then having Christian artists in them... I used to be that way, back when I was a freshmen in highschool and such... It's a flawed view... First you have to understand that there is no such thing as Christian music, only Christian Faith inspired lyrics sang by artists who claim to be Christians... (and then you have bands like Relient K who claim to be Christian and don't have a song that actually has any substance, Christian or non)... Then there's a lot of bands with Christians in them who sing faith inspired lyrics... You should really consider your perspective on things because you're limiting yourself.

I personally listen to music that I like regardless of whether they are "Christian" or not... I think it's better that way because then you can always find what you want... for example, back in the day I wanted a band that sounded EXACTLY like Aerosmith who was Christian... thing is, there are several Christian "classic" rockers, but non were Aerosmith... so what did I do? I listened to Aerosmith...

Death Metal and Dark Metal may not be your thing but it doesn't reflect that they have something wrong with them or that they are consumed by the scene if they sing dark lyrics... Everybody has adversity and some people just don't fit into a genre that is happy or upbeat because we just don't... our minds don't work that way. People like us don't get into the whole Praise and Worship scene and we don't listen to popular CCM mostly because we just don't fit into the scene...

**thesteve** · 04-07-2007, 09:35 AM

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(and then you have bands like Relient K who claim to be Christian and don't have a song that actually has any substance, Christian or non).

nice unfounded random slam

Ax · 04-07-2007, 02:36 PM

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nice unfounded random slam

I'm pointing out that CCM isn't all it's cracked up to be... well more Popular Christian Music rather than contemporary...

**thesteve** · 04-07-2007, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AXguitar

I'm pointing out that CCM isn't all it's cracked up to be... well more Popular Christian Music rather than contemporary...

nice back pedal

**akaukal** · 04-07-2007, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by AXguitar

(and then you have bands like Relient K who claim to be Christian and don't have a song that actually has any substance, Christian or non).

That's a very uneducated and incorrect statement.

Like already stated, I don't understand what this thread is all about.

**Skeeter** · 04-07-2007, 04:21 PM

Most of this thread is a series of unfounded and uneducated comments and remarks.

AXguitar, I agree with you on one thing: seeing music as secular is a mistake. However, you're out-of-line in regards to your comments about Relient K, who have never been shy about their Christianity.

Jenacen · 04-07-2007, 09:42 PM

I can't really but help agree with what you say here, save maybe one or two things. At first listen, the annoyance is more in the sound of the music than much of the general darkness (though I find things typical of every genre I just do not like, like the obscenities in rap, the depression/anger in rock, the sensuality in pop). And well hey, if you don't really see how one band is all that different from what's being put out by the world as far as spiritual matters (regardless whether or not they're considered Christian), they're probably worth the same amount of attention. If it doesn't help you, then there's no shame in not bothering.

Ax · 04-07-2007, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeeter

Most of this thread is a series of unfounded and uneducated comments and remarks.

AXguitar, I agree with you on one thing: seeing music as secular is a mistake. However, you're out-of-line in regards to your comments about Relient K, who have never been shy about their Christianity.

give me a link to a song of theirs that has any substance... I know of at least one CD that you will not find a song on it with any sort of substance at all... I never said they were shy about their Christianity... there's just never been any proof to their claims as far as I know... but then again the only cd of theirs I've ever owned was Two Lefts... I assume it's an accurate portrayal of their career...

DKelly · 04-07-2007, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AXguitar

give me a link to a song of theirs that has any substance... I know of at least one CD that you will not find a song on it with any sort of substance at all... I never said they were shy about their Christianity... there's just never been any proof to their claims as far as I know... but then again the only cd of theirs I've ever owned was Two Lefts... I assume it's an accurate portrayal of their career...

The two CDs that came before it and MmHmm are much better than Two Lefts...

**thesteve** · 04-07-2007, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AXguitar

give me a link to a song of theirs that has any substance... I know of at least one CD that you will not find a song on it with any sort of substance at all... I never said they were shy about their Christianity... there's just never been any proof to their claims as far as I know... but then again the only cd of theirs I've ever owned was Two Lefts... I assume it's an accurate portrayal of their career...

What exactly is the definition of "substance" here? You originally said there was no substance, Christian or secular...I'd even argue that a few of the tracks on "Two Lefts" have some substance (particularly since "College Kids" sounds like it very accurately describes what you've told me about your college life). it really just sounds like you haven't been listening, or you've been using some definition of "substance" that would eliminate 95% of the bands on the market.