Birth Control

Nate · 04-04-2007, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JerryLove

Making abstinance unbiblical... which clearly isn't the case.

Abstinence within marriage, that is (since the Bible clearly prohibits sex outside of marriage)... and Paul, in fact, does speak pretty directly against abstinence within marriage... so, yes, unBiblical.

For the record / to the point... I'm pretty much against birth control, and we won't be using it.

danalyn · 04-04-2007, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by domnastics

Would it be too sensitive to ask the married people here what you use personally (if you use anything) and why or why not?

We used the pill for a couple years. And as a side note, the pill can be prescribed for reasons other than simply birth control. For the last year (or more?) I was on it, it was also a form of migraine control. Without the pill, I was losing on average 3 days a month of work to migraines.

obviously we're not using birth control now as you can see it's rather unnecessary (see ticker in sig

). I'm hoping to not have to go back on the pill after the baby's born and thinking we'll consider things like a diaphragm. As suggested by my previous posts, we're not much fans of condoms.

Here-am-I · 04-04-2007, 09:26 PM

Honestly, you should talk to your Obstetrician/Gynecologist. He (or she) could explain all your options SO much better than anyone on this website - unless, of course, there is an OBGYN on this site.

And yes, it would be a very good idea to start your contraception a couple months before you are married (so it has time to "kick in").

- Rebekah

Marley · 04-04-2007, 11:11 PM

The most effective is the shot of course because there is no way that you can really mess it up by missing pills, or forgeting to change the patch etc. The down side to the shot is weight gain.

I will say that the pills made me sick. It literally felt like morning sickness everyday.

I also tried the patch, but there is a high instance for blood clots with the patch because it is delivering alot more hormones than the pill. Right now there are all kinds of lawsuits against Orthoevera.

In the end, we were one of the weird couples that went with condoms. Sure there is some lack of sensation, but it is something the both of you will get used to, and if you have never had intercourse, you won't have to get used to it. (It doesn't really matter if you don't know the difference)

The side effects of birth control was just not worth it to me. Even knowing that it could be potentially hazardous to my health didn't detour me altogether. I still tried to use it, it just didn't do well with me.

Venous thrombosis and thrombotic stroke are rare but potentially life-threatening side effects of all hormonal forms of birth control.

You might look here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...ontrol_methods

**Sean** · 04-04-2007, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by leiarose

[COLOR=DarkRed] I have been reading that it is not an abortive, unlike the "pill".

There isn't just one "the 'pill.'"

**Sean** · 04-04-2007, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KFBobInsanesMom

I just find it odd that people deliberately attempt to stop God from blessing them.

I find it odd that when considering this topic all that seems to matter to you is that children are a "blessing" from God. As you know far better than I, children are a huge responsibility and expensive. Simply because I get a blessing doesn't make me responsible or financially stable. Taken to its logical conclusion, a pregnant 13 year old shouldn't give up the child for adoption because they'd be giving away a blessing from God. They should keep it inspite of the fact that they are a child themself and literally unable to provide financially.

leiarose · 04-05-2007, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean

There isn't just one "the 'pill.'"

Well, obviously...the Pill. I was referencing the common usage name/term.

Daniel21TX · 04-05-2007, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by KFBobInsanesMom

The difference is that one is natural and one is not. Women do get pregnant on the pill. One of the mechanisms of birth control pills makes the uterus inhospitable to implantation. Conception occurs, but then the child is aborted because it cannot implant. While this may not occur frequently, 1 time of killing a baby is enough for me to reject the pill as a viable Christian form of birth control. (Of course, that is my opinion)

Is this true with all birth control pills? If so, what other birth control options are out there that don't have the slightest risk for a abortion taking place? If this is only the case with some pills, then what pills are out there, that do not have a abortion risk? Please respond ASAP.

Marley · 04-05-2007, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel21TX

Is this true with all birth control pills? If so, what other birth control options are out there that don't have the slightest risk for a abortion taking place? If this is only the case with some pills, then what pills are out there, that do not have a abortion risk? Please respond ASAP.

It depends on the person. Contreceptives work differently with different people. Almost all Birth Control methods have a risk of causing an abortion due to the fertilized egg not being able to implant in the uterine wall. Even the Norplant II, or the arm implant, aka Jazelle, can cause an "abortion".

The only BC method that doesn't have a chance of causing doing this is Minera, (an IUD). IUD's are only available to people that already have children because of the procedure to put it in.

Nate · 04-05-2007, 10:18 AM

Any of these actual health / drug questions should be directed to an individual's own physician / obstetrician / gynecologist rather than the community at large here. Daniel21TX (and anyone else): If you want to know specifically what a birth control method will do to your wife, your potential children, and you, you need to ask a physician. Birth control methods have WAY too many dangerous side effects and WAY too many physical, emotional, spiritual, and mental considerations for us to recommend or prescribe a particular type here for you and your spouse. This thread really should just be for listing options, not for discussion of what precisely they all do, because none of us is educated enough to give you all the facts.

Daniel21TX · 04-05-2007, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Nate

Any of these actual health / drug questions should be directed to an individual's own physician / obstetrician / gynecologist rather than the community at large here. Daniel21TX (and anyone else): If you want to know specifically what a birth control method will do to your wife, your potential children, and you, you need to ask a physician. Birth control methods have WAY too many dangerous side effects and WAY too many physical, emotional, spiritual, and mental considerations for us to recommend or prescribe a particular type here for you and your spouse. This thread really should just be for listing options, not for discussion of what precisely they all do, because none of us is educated enough to give you all the facts.

I understand, and agree that we should all ask our physician Nate. However, my wife had been taking birth control, and last night when I saw what KFBoB said, I did some research on the birth control my wife takes. Turns out, it has a 3rd mechanism which is abortive. I had no idea. She is not going to take it again as far as I am concerned. I woke her up at around 1 am last night to let her know the decision I have made based off my conviction. So, as of right now, we are in serious need to find a new form of contraception that doesn't have a abortive risk. If anyone knows or thinks they know of some forms of contraception that do not have a abortive mechanism, I would love to hear of it. I will of course ask a physician prior to putting my wife on it. I just want to know what our options are now.

Nate · 04-05-2007, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel21TX

I understand, and agree that we should all ask our physician Nate. However, my wife had been taking birth control, and last night when I saw what KFBoB said, I did some research on the birth control my wife takes. Turns out, it has a 3rd mechanism which is abortive. I had no idea. She is not going to take it again as far as I am concerned. I woke her up at around 1 am last night to let her know the decision I have made based off my conviction. So, as of right now, we are in serious need to find a new form of contraception that doesn't have a abortive risk. If anyone knows or thinks they know of some forms of contraception that do not have a abortive mechanism, I would love to hear of it. I will of course ask a physician prior to putting my wife on it. I just want to know what our options are now.

Even still, your wife's physician / obstetrician / gynecologist will know better than we do which birth control methods do not have abortive mechanisms in them. It's been a long standing unspoken rule on CGR that health questions should not be fielded by the community and instead that members should be referred to their local physician. That's not because some of us here can't help at all (we have quite a few members who work in medical fields), but because your physician knows more than any of us and can best advise you. I'd recommend you set up an appointment with your wife's physician to discuss birth control options. Tell him/her what you require in a contraceptive, and they'll be able to advise you far better than any of us can.

KFBobInsanesMom · 04-05-2007, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel21TX

I understand, and agree that we should all ask our physician Nate. However, my wife had been taking birth control, and last night when I saw what KFBoB said, I did some research on the birth control my wife takes. Turns out, it has a 3rd mechanism which is abortive. I had no idea. She is not going to take it again as far as I am concerned. I woke her up at around 1 am last night to let her know the decision I have made based off my conviction. So, as of right now, we are in serious need to find a new form of contraception that doesn't have a abortive risk. If anyone knows or thinks they know of some forms of contraception that do not have a abortive mechanism, I would love to hear of it. I will of course ask a physician prior to putting my wife on it. I just want to know what our options are now.

It is true for all forms of the pill. I wasn't trying to alarm you , its just something few (if any) doctors mention and it seems few people realize.

Dr. Worm · 04-05-2007, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by KFBobInsanesMom

Not getting hit by a car is not called a "blessing and gift" from God, children are. Oh, they are also rewards.

I'm sorry, I was trying to find this reference and was not having much luck. Where does the bible say this?

Sean's Wife · 04-05-2007, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Nate

Any of these actual health / drug questions should be directed to an individual's own physician / obstetrician / gynecologist rather than the community at large here. This thread really should just be for listing options, not for discussion of what precisely they all do, because none of us is educated enough to give you all the facts.

I completely agree. Every method is different, and almost definitely has a varying result depending on the individual seeking to use it.

Doctors go to school for a very long time in order to amass knowledge on topics like these. There's word of mouth, personal experience, and matters of opinion, but those can easily be tainted and distorted. Definitely get feedback from people, but I would under no circumstances take what you heard on a forum as unadulterated truth.

Not to mention, especially in this particular area, there are really a lot of options. Of course there are side effects, of course there are down sides...there needs to be someone informed giving you all the facts in order to determine choices so that an intelligent decision can be made. Things get muddled and combined, and pretty much everything has a horror story. If you do opt for some form of birth control, it needs to be based on your morals, your future wife, your preferences as a married couple, her body, and her reaction to that method.

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Originally Posted by AXguitar

Months? No... It all really depends when you start it... it's best to start at the beginning of a cycle... then most become effective that day...

I'm not aware of any such magical birth control. Granted, I'm no expert, but I can't think of one method that I've ever heard of (save for a hysterectomy) that goes into effect immediately.

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Originally Posted by KFBobInsanesMom

Who said you would have kids asap?? Women do not get pregnant every time they have sex. It's also a misconception that not using bith control means you will have dozens of kids. Some people do, some don't. It simply means that you allow God to decide when to give you a child instead of taking it into your own hands. I, personally, trust God's judgement over my own any day of the week.

Let me start off by saying that your faith and trust in God is admirable. I respect that you put God's timing over man's, I very much respect your firm stance and strong grasp on your beliefs, and don't in any way, shape, or form intend to tear you down as an individual.

What I don't understand, though, is why everything in this discussion (from both for and against) seems to be at an "extreme." For some reason, people that believe birth control is acceptable are categorized as uninformed people who think that women get pregnant every time they have sex. They also seem to be categorized as people who don't like children, don't like blessings from God, and are deceived into thinking that not using birth control would amount to an endless supply of children.

I am a newlywed. For the record, as I'm sure is already obvious, I don't have a problem with birth control. I talked to close friends who had made educated decisions, spoke to doctors and nurses, discussed with my fiancee and now husband our personal beliefs, and feel that what we chose is acceptable. As somewhat of a side-note, I began taking birth control (in the form of a pill taken daily at the same time) long before marriage was in sight. This is not to say that I took the pill to prevent pregnancy. I started taking birth control to balance my hormones and get rid of the acne that had plagued me through majority of my young adult life. When I did get engaged, I began to more thoroughly look into the different types of birth control, how specifically they prevented pregnancy, and the effects they have on the person taking them (namely, me). I then changed birth controls, because I didn't feel that the way the pill I was taking would prevent pregnancy or effect on me was on par with my beliefs.

I am well aware that women don't get pregnant every time they have sex. Thank goodness for that.

Let's just, for the moment, go with the theory that newlyweds have "relations" frequently. This would, obviously, increase the chances of pregnancy significantly, if one was not using some form of contraceptive. Though children are blessings, they're not always a welcome responsibility. Becoming parents doesn't automatically make you responsible, wise, discerning, and capable of being a suitable parent. Obviously, most of the strongest cases for this argument exist in relationships or situations that are not in accordance with Biblical standards...but it is a reasonable point that not everyone who becomes pregnant is ready for that 'blessing.'

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Originally Posted by KFBobInsanesMom

The idea of not being able to care for children also strikes me as odd. You don't need to be rich to care for a child. All the preparations in the world are no guarantee of tomorrow. Kids for the first year of their life don't require much. A couple dozen cloth diapers, a drawer full of clothes (which you can pick up at garage sales for pennies), a place to sleep, and a mom nursing them. Other than the hospital bill, they really are cheap for the first year.

I fully agree that, if people were to wait until they were "settled," or "financially stable," or until the idea of having a kid wasn't "scary," or whatever...they would never be ready. And, while you covered the basics (diapers, clothing, rest, food...), not everyone is able to even provide that...the basics aren't always available. My main disagreement is that I don't believe that it would be accurate to say that people concerned with not being able to care for children is strictly limited to wealth.

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Originally Posted by redbaron

Frankly I tend to be in the "wait a year or two after marriage" camp, simply because it allows you to get to adjust to your new spouse, learn how to get along, and grow your relationship before you throw in morning sickness, funky hormones, and then no sleep for the next two years.

He raises a point that I think needs to be considered. Not everyone is ready for kids right away for more reasons than just finances. Learning to live with someone is difficult and challenging. Learning to love your spouse, and to put them first before yourself...these things have been insanely challenging to me as a newlywed. If I were to be pregnant, or to become pregnant, even in the coming months, it would detract substantially from what I believe is my job as a wife...to love and support my husband...to be his helper.
Granted, we very well could get pregnant. I love children. I really and truly do, and I really do believe that they are blessings. And I know, that if I was to be "in the family way," God would prepare me for that, but it wouldn't change the fact that I would not want that right now. Not that I don't want kids ever, not that I'm rejecting that blessing, just that I don't think I can handle that responsibility right now. Again, God will do what He wants, and we'll just have to see.
I am not arguing that God doesn't know best, or that I would know better...just that it's not wrong to not be ready...to not feel ready. Is it impossible to evaluate yourself and your situation, truly believe that you're not parent material, and make a decision on behalf of your future children based on that? God can always prove you wrong.

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Originally Posted by KFBobInsanesMom

If two Christians are not ready for all marriage entails (including the possiblity of having a baby), then it would be wise to wait to get married.

I sincerely hope that this is painfully obvious to anyone considering marriage. However, the possibility of a baby is much different from the reality of one. Making a life decision to be with my husband didn't come along without considering the possibility of pregnancy. I married the man that I want to be the father of my children. There is nobody on this earth I would rather undertake that amazing blessing and responsibility with. But just because we're in love, just because we're committed, just because we may get pregnant, doesn't mean that we feel ready. I would prefer to wait to have kids, so that we can continue to know each other better...to experience God working in us as a couple...and if kids happen, they happen.

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Originally Posted by domnastics

Would it be too sensitive to ask the married people here what you use personally (if you use anything) and why or why not?

I, personally, use the NuvaRing. I don't know really how to discuss this in mixed company, so I'm going to err on the side of lame, and not get graphic. Several of my married friends use the ring. From what I've experienced, and what I've heard, the problems with the ring on the first page of this forum aren't correct. The NuvaRing is 98-99% effective, becomes active after a week of use, does not fall out (there are varying opinions on this...and some have had issues with it staying in place, but again...everything varies by individual), and it prevents pregnancy by suppressing ovulation (the ovaries don't release the monthly egg) and making it more difficult for sperm to get where they need to go. There are some things I don't particularly like about it, but for me, the pros outweigh the cons. It's also always a good idea to keep your eye on new methods, and look into them as well. Hope that was helpful, and at least you can look into it.

Again, PLEASE talk to a doctor/gynecologist...they will be able to answer your questions on a personal level, and with more individual accuracy.

While surfing the net, I stumbled across this. I have no idea any of the details of this, as I literally just found it, but something like this would probably take the controversy out of the birth control debate. I'm going to look into it...see what it's about.