01-01-2002, 05:49 PM
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#1 | | Guest | music is awesome how come we cant listen to everything? well, its obvious we gotta be faithful but why cant we listen to it all? | |
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01-01-2002, 05:59 PM
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#2 | | Nothing in my hand.......
Joined: Sep 2001 Location: Metropolitan Tabernacle Posts: 1,679
| Because music is now-a-days fallen away from Scripture and God has become separated from it and it has become GROSELY PERVERSE. Thats why
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01-01-2002, 06:05 PM
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#3 | | pink is pretty
Joined: Nov 2001 Location: Belgrade, Montana Posts: 354
| Music effects your thoughts a lot. When I listen to secular music I begin to feel depressed, hopeless, and often begin to think lustful thoughts. Perhaphs thats just for me though....
Also remember that saying "What comes in comes out"(or something like that lol)
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01-01-2002, 06:59 PM
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#4 | | El Weirdo
Joined: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,012
| yea. Bek is right. it really messes with your mind. when i listen to secular music i get depressed and get just like mean. it's wierd the way it can change you. also you start to pick up bad stuff like swearing and stuff. it's pretty bad.
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01-02-2002, 12:23 PM
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#5 | | Once A Number One Poster
Joined: Jul 2001 Location: southwest MI Posts: 4,995
| secular music has made me depressed and stuff, sometimes, but other times it has inspired me to the depths of my soul, making me want to go out and tell everyone I love them. It depends what kinds of secular music you listen to.
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01-02-2002, 04:27 PM
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#6 | | Nothing in my hand.......
Joined: Sep 2001 Location: Metropolitan Tabernacle Posts: 1,679
| It does matter what kind. Love music (not lustful love, but stuff like bing Crosby) would be ok I guess, but anything perverted or depressing or anger filled is bad.
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01-04-2002, 03:21 PM
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#7 | | city boy
Joined: Apr 2001 Location: CHICAGO (suburbs...) Posts: 1,284
| What everyone said, I agree with. I wouldn't listen to Eminem, but songs like "Beautiful Day" by U2 aren't bad.
I listen to mostly praise and worship because it inspires me and leads me to worship. Not bad, eh?
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01-05-2002, 09:32 PM
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#8 | | God bless and keep rockin
Joined: Jan 2002 Location: Lubbock, TX Posts: 414
| My opinion: It depends on how strong in your faith you are to listen to what you want. Everyone has been hitting it on the nose that it messes with the way you act and think.
"Be in the world, not of the world"
We also have to ask the question, would God approve of me listening to this. All in all, i think it depends on your strenght in your faith. If its weak, put the secular music away for a while and focuse on God. Then when you can stand back up, ask yourself if you want to listen to it. Most of the time, you'll stop listening to it because you see what it has or can do.
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01-10-2002, 09:44 PM
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#9 | | Get with the fusion
Joined: Jan 2002 Location: at the bank Posts: 3,443
| this is an issue i have a lot of trouble with because i listen to a vast variety of music, and i oftentimes need to be "fed" with enough music (i.e. i can't go a very long time without music that i want to hear without being severely agitated). The only problem with that is that the christian music scene is still young, however growing, so i have an extremely hard time finding a good variety of christian music that i enjoy. i think, when it comes down to it, that if you aren't getting a bad message from the secular music you listen to, then it's ok to listen to it. now, don't let temptation fool you into believing that some music doesn't "effect" you, so you have to be very unbiassed (is that right?) in deciding whether or not it has bad themes or direction.
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01-14-2002, 01:58 AM
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#10 | | Pie...& chips. For free!
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01-30-2002, 05:21 PM
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#11 | | Picture 1 of 30
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| It is good to support Christian artists, and therefore support what they are doing (ministry), whereas, at times, the secular artists we are supporting by giving them our money encourages them to act in a very non-Christlike manner...U2 is seen by many to be Christian, just like Creed and Lifehouse. A lot of people see God in their music, or in other music that is not necessarily "Christian." For that matter, a lot of Christians that make music are not really "Christian artists," and there are "Christian" artists whose theology is so out of whack that it would be better if you didn't listen to them at all. Anyways, the point is not that we CAN'T listen to secular music...our focus should be on God. if you are able to do that listening to secular tunes, then God bless you (He already has). However, if, like most people that have posted here, you find that the music is effecting your walk, and/or emotions or whatnot, run from it. Don't let your ears cause you to sin. Pluck off the headphones and ditch that music. |
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02-04-2002, 03:45 PM
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#12 | | ~AbSoLuTe GuItArIsT~
Joined: Nov 2001 Location: West Kentucky Posts: 149
| my 1 1/2 cents... Well, this subject is something that I have struggled with severly. I had ocme out of a very difficult time or a few in my life and I had been encouraged by the wrong people to listen to this music. While I was in this music (Eminem, Luda, Nelly...you name it) I felt relieved, it was a sort of relaxation knowing someone else either knew how to handle it or knew how to express it. Unknowingly...the wrong way. But I was so blind I didnt see that. Under extreme conviction I broke my CD's, all of the ones I had deemed 'bad CD's' and I felt the conviction for pursuing full time minstry. I continued listening to the hip hop/pop songs on the popular radio station of my area, thinking I was right with God. Then one sunday at church we somehow go to a point where there was a discussion about the 'grey area' most people believe in. "Its not of God but its not Satan worshiping" they say. But in reality there is no grey area. You are either shining your light for God, or you are shining your light for Satan. You are eiher living for Jesus, or the prince of darkness. I believe in the 'garbage in garbage out' theory. I soon found out it was true. It took a total of about 5 months of serious struggling with secular music and not listening to it and only listening to Christian music. I had gotten so accustomed to it, secular music had become a part of my life. But a few months ago I feel I had made a final breakthrough in my spiritual life, the secular music had no temptation on me, I no longer any desire to listen to any secular music. I have no thing saying 'you need to stop listening to secular music' or anything like that. When someone told me that it just gave me a greater desire to listen to it. I say though, take this to the throne personally. Let God guide your heart. This is a lesson I learned from my experience. God will always listen, He will guide you.
In Christ,
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03-05-2002, 11:50 PM
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#13 | | Guest | How about Beatles? They are as secular as groups come, but I have a hard time not singing along to some of their older tunes. Heck, groups like DC Talk do covers of them. So what should be our discretion on this? | |
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03-06-2002, 04:24 PM
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#14 | | Senior Non-Posting Member
Joined: Oct 2001 Location: The not too distant past. Posts: 4,053
| My view is that if it detracts from our walk with God, just say No!!!
But that is directed at individuals, not all of us at once. I see no problem listening to The Beatles, U2, Creed, Lifehouse, etc. But I won't listen to AC/DC, Eminem, 90% of Crap, er, I mean Rap  and stuff like Metallica, KISS, etc. You get the idea.  It really depends on the person and the music. |
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03-07-2002, 10:16 PM
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#15 | | ~AbSoLuTe GuItArIsT~
Joined: Nov 2001 Location: West Kentucky Posts: 149
| Unregistered. I think I understand what your saying. yeah I have to say myself that the Beatles are very catchy and I've been known to hum along to some...yes...Elvis songs as well. This is just my own personal idea on this. Personally I have not too much against the music of the Beatles as so much as the lives of the Beatles. Im not saying that you should examine the life of an artist or a group before you listen to their music but if you get raw, hard core and to the facts without sugar-coating it...it still isnt shining the light for God. Jesus Himself said if you are not working for Him, you are working against Him. Now Im still not saying that if you listen to the Beatles you will go to Hell. Only your salvation or the lack thereof will determine that. My personal stance is that within the secular world, I have nothing wrong with most of the 50's and Beach Boy-ish 60's rock and roll. But it is a different story if you look at it through what I have said prior. And with DC Talk, I guess I havent heard enough of them to know if they have done Beatles songs or what, but Im sure everyone has heard their remake of the Doobie Bro.'s Jesus is Just Alright. I see nothing wrong with their remake, especially since they were using it to profess to the world, if you will, in how they stand in their lives. Nonetheless, they did change the song quite a bit.
I have a difficult time giving what I call 'direct advice' to someone as to what they should do. I definately do not feel qualified to do so. All I do know is two things: 1)how I have been taught, and studied and lived in this and how I feel about things such as this. and 2)that if you ever have a problem as to what you should do, give it to God. Believe it or not, He will always guide you. And never fail you.
Thank you,
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