[BillSPrestonEsq]

Originally Posted by Jaymze13

One of the most disturbing christian concerts I've ever seen in my life was Vengeance Rising. I left there with a lot of questions.

didn't vengeance rising leave the faith?

I checked wikipedia, and my estimation seems to be correct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vengeance_Rising

I like Burial era Extol, Living Sacrifice, and several other bands. Lengsel was pretty good as well, IIRC.

I am never quite sure when a band hits each subgenre of metal, but I know numerous albums in my library would be labled death metal.

[Role Modlin]

Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq

didn't vengeance rising leave the faith?

I checked wikipedia, and my estimation seems to be correct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vengeance_Rising

I like Burial era Extol, Living Sacrifice, and several other bands. Lengsel was pretty good as well, IIRC.

I am never quite sure when a band hits each subgenre of metal, but I know numerous albums in my library would be labled death metal.

Roger Martinez (the vocalist) did. He owns the name and puts out satanic music under it now. The other original members have recently regrouped with a new vocalist. I think they call themselves Once Dead.

[BillSPrestonEsq]

Originally Posted by Mr. Role Modlin

Roger Martinez (the vocalist) did. He owns the name and puts out satanic music under it now. The other original members have recently regrouped with a new vocalist. I think they call themselves Once Dead.

yeah, IIRC, I heard from one guy I knew in San Diego that he started with the Satanism before leaving the band, leaving a show wildly different than most of the audience was expecting. Thats what I was told. I don't know a date on that, but I doubt I was going to many metal shows yet.

hence I can picture their shows getting rather disturbing with a wolf in sheep's clothing in the front man position.

[earlessdog]

i could have sworn i posted in here.
my fav ones are Becoming The Archetype and Mortal Treason.

[Jaymze13]

Originally Posted by Kenny C.

What happened?

It would take a big post to go over it, but here are a few highlights:

• Not, one, but two power failues
• Roger seeming to be very dominating over the audience
• The whole imagery thing with the demon heads
• The imagery of Roger wearing the hooded cape with the skull walking stick

I left there going "I don't know about this and it being supposedly Christian." Then a year or so later Roger goes off the deep end and renounces Christ and everything. I looked back on the concert down in Deep Elum, Dallas and went "huh."

[Jaymze13]

Originally Posted by Mr. Role Modlin

Roger Martinez (the vocalist) did. He owns the name and puts out satanic music under it now. The other original members have recently regrouped with a new vocalist. I think they call themselves Once Dead.

You know what's funny about that? And a lot of people keep pointing this out. Roger claims to have all this new music and he's supposedly wrote a song to counteract every song he ever wrote as a believer. I can mostly believe that because I had the sickening "pleasure" to read some of his new lyrics on one of his old websites. It was very, very sad.

The funny part; there's been no new music to go with it. All he ever says (from what little I've ever cared enough to read) is that new music is on the way, new music is on the way, new music is on the way. But it hasn't happened yet.

He brags about how much money he makes now and how liberated his life is and he cusses and blast every person he used to know, but there's no new music.

I wonder about him sometimes. I was in contact with another musician in the Christian metal world one time and this person told me that when they worked with Roger, he gave the apperance of being one of the most selfish persons to be who ever claimed to be a Christian. It was also added that we should continue to pray for Roger that he finally sees the light someday.

[Kenny C.]

Originally Posted by Jaymze13

It would take a big post to go over it, but here are a few highlights:

• Not, one, but two power failues
• Roger seeming to be very dominating over the audience
• The whole imagery thing with the demon heads
• The imagery of Roger wearing the hooded cape with the skull walking stick

I left there going "I don't know about this and it being supposedly Christian." Then a year or so later Roger goes off the deep end and renounces Christ and everything. I looked back on the concert down in Deep Elum, Dallas and went "huh."

Haha, wow. Where was it? Trees, Gypsy, or the Door?

[guitarwannabe16]

With Blood Comes Cleansing are one of the best christian bands I know of. They're not quite DM imo but theyre fairly close.

[Gsus_Rawks]

I've never heard Christian death metal. I've heard of Christian metal, just never death metal.

[Jaymze13]

Originally Posted by Kenny C.

Haha, wow. Where was it? Trees, Gypsy, or the Door?

Don't get me to lying. It wasn't a bad place, but I'm sure it wasn't the best one in the area.

The first time I saw them was in West End and a place that was more a hole in the wall than anything. The place in Deep Ellum was at least bigger and mostly nicer.

If I remember, this Door place might have been across the street.

[BillSPrestonEsq]

Originally Posted by Jaymze13

Don't get me to lying. It wasn't a bad place, but I'm sure it wasn't the best one in the area.

The first time I saw them was in West End and a place that was more a hole in the wall than anything. The place in Deep Ellum was at least bigger and mostly nicer.

If I remember, this Door place might have been across the street.

Insomnia was right across from the door IIRC.

[Role Modlin]

Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq

yeah, IIRC, I heard from one guy I knew in San Diego that he started with the Satanism before leaving the band, leaving a show wildly different than most of the audience was expecting. Thats what I was told. I don't know a date on that, but I doubt I was going to many metal shows yet.

hence I can picture their shows getting rather disturbing with a wolf in sheep's clothing in the front man position.

Their shows were disturbing when they were still Christian. They would graphically depict the crucifixion.

Roger's turn toward atheism came about after he convinced himself that God should have preserved the autographs of the Bible. As he supposedly sought out the oldest and most accurate texts he decided that the Bible was no longer reliable because God was not powerful enough to preserve it in its original form.

He later had some issues with his label, ex-bandmates, and some high profile evangelists that turned him against Christians. He became very hostile and unforgiving. That, along with his doubts concerning the Bible's authenticity, led him to a very dark place.

[Disciple Freak]

Originally Posted by SenorPapaCabasa

has anyone listened to With Blood Comes Cleansing??

now those guys rock

[Ax]

Death Metal has always seemed to be generic and overly concerned with appearance to me... There are two extremes that I can't handle and both are because of the emphasis on appearance and lack of originality and that is Death Metal and Boy Band Pop.... Both generally give off shallow lyrics, boring music, and vocals that get under my skin... Yes... I did just compare Death Metal to Boy Band music... hate me for it... but in all honesty... it sucks...

I love good hard music... I love Hardcore/Post-Hardcore/Some Screamo so don't tag me as not liking heavy music... I just hate the constant pulse of the stuff... It's all generic and boring...

[thomaspg70]

Death metal is like my favorite style of metal. I love Aletheian and old extol which is like a corss between black and death.