[H.M. Murdock]

Wow.


Just... wow.
This thing looks fun. At last, they are doing something right. Unfortunately, they've screwed up so much that I still won't be buying the platform (ever, most likely), much less just for this game. But that doesn't mean I won't finally admit that the PS3 packs a punch.

[Lightknight]

I have to admit, the PS3 does have an edge where graphics are concerned. Amazing. Perhaps if they drop the price. But still... it is superior to even the 360, shouldn't they be allowed to be somewhat more expensive?

[Ax]

Originally Posted by Lightknight

I have to admit, the PS3 does have an edge where graphics are concerned. Amazing. Perhaps if they drop the price. But still... it is superior to even the 360, shouldn't they be allowed to be somewhat more expensive?

Not 600 dollars expensive.

[Qingu]

Are the graphics actually better than the 360? I didn't see anything in Home or LGP that suggest that.

These games do look pretty cool. I don't think I'd ever buy them, as I don't really like the whole Sims/Second Life gameplay. But Sony is smart to finally try to appeal to this market. And plus, the whole virtual world thing is just awesome on a philosophical level.

[Gsus_Rawks]

Originally Posted by Qingu

Are the graphics actually better than the 360? I didn't see anything in Home or LGP that suggest that.

These games do look pretty cool. I don't think I'd ever buy them, as I don't really like the whole Sims/Second Life gameplay. But Sony is smart to finally try to appeal to this market. And plus, the whole virtual world thing is just awesome on a philosophical level.

According to specs that I have read, Xbox displays in 1080i and PS3 is 1080p (or the other way around).

I can't see it by just looking at it. But I believe them.

[FTS]

Wow. Now THAT is cool. That's like something Nintendo would/could/should do.

[Lightknight]

G4TV was talking about this a few days ago and the hosts (who have been just as hard on the PS3 as we have been) refered to its superior specs.

I mean, that's why it won G3, it is a better system. The only real problem is the pricing. If it was $250, no one would say anything bad about it.

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by Lightknight

G4TV was talking about this a few days ago and the hosts (who have been just as hard on the PS3 as we have been) refered to its superior specs.

I mean, that's why it won G3, it is a better system. The only real problem is the pricing. If it was $250, no one would say anything bad about it.

Aside from the fact that there are STILL no good games out for it, and the graphics are inferior/equal to the 360 a lot. Just look at Fight Night if you don't believe me. The fighters look nearly the same, but the fans look so much more fake on the PS3 version than they do on the 360.

Yes, PS3 has more potential than the 360. Unfortunately, that has yet to be expressed.

[H.M. Murdock]

A lot of that can be given to the fact that game developers are pissed at Sony and are sitting with Microsoft or Nintendo, though. Nintendo has gained a few loyal game developers with the advent of the Wii, haven't they?


... or I could be dreaming.

[Lightknight]

Originally Posted by Andrew

Aside from the fact that there are STILL no good games out for it, and the graphics are inferior/equal to the 360 a lot. Just look at Fight Night if you don't believe me. The fighters look nearly the same, but the fans look so much more fake on the PS3 version than they do on the 360.

Yes, PS3 has more potential than the 360. Unfortunately, that has yet to be expressed.

The PS3 is certainly not inferior to the 360, it is significantly better and nearly every officianado would say this. You're comparing Fight Night? Some companies simply aren't going to pour more money into a system that they feel is going to tank.

Once again, the issue isn't the systems graphics, it is the best system, graphically, on the market, the issue is pricing.

Perhaps when we start to compare more games. But just one game isn't a definitive answer.

The PS3 has far more potential that the 360 whether or not it has been expressed. That's a fact. Regardless of what happens, the PS3 is superior graphically. Failure of the PS3 will simply show developers that "Affordable" is just as important, if not more important than quality when it comes to games.

[exo]

Originally Posted by Lightknight

The PS3 is certainly not inferior to the 360, it is significantly better and nearly every officianado would say this.

It is right now which is what Andrew was saying. And I would definitely take issue with the 'significantly better' statement.

You're comparing Fight Night? Some companies simply aren't going to pour more money into a system that they feel is going to tank.

Excuses, excuses. If PS3 is so vastly superior to the 360, you would think that even with minimal resources, one could pump out superior graphics.

Once again, the issue isn't the systems graphics, it is the best system, graphically, on the market, the issue is pricing.

And lack of games/features. And bad PR.

Perhaps when we start to compare more games. But just one game isn't a definitive answer.

The PS3 has far more potential that the 360 whether or not it has been expressed. That's a fact. Regardless of what happens, the PS3 is superior graphically. Failure of the PS3 will simply show developers that "Affordable" is just as important, if not more important than quality when it comes to games.

And when you say 'quality' you mean 'graphics'... not quality of the games themselves, right?

If the PS3 is superior graphically, then, yes we will see it, but right now we're not and if Sony wants to convince anyone that their 'potential' is vastly superior to the 360s, then they will need to show it and not just claim it.

Originally Posted by Gsus_Rawks

According to specs that I have read, Xbox displays in 1080i and PS3 is 1080p (or the other way around).

I can't see it by just looking at it. But I believe them.

The 360 is capable of displaying 720p, 1080i, and 1080p.

The PS3 is also capable of displaying 720p, 1080i, and 1080p. The PS3 had some trouble early on with older 1080i sets as described here: http://www.joystiq.com/2006/12/06/ps...1080i-problem/ Most of those problems have been ironed out, though.

[smhatahy]

Just look at Fight Night if you don't believe me.

That is because it is a port. Ports rarely look better than the original system they are on (an exception would be something like Metal Gear Acid, but that is because Konami spent more time and money developing it) and EA was too lazy to do improve on it (although in there defense, it wouldn't have been cost effective, considering it was a PS3 launch title)

Excuses, excuses. If PS3 is so vastly superior to the 360, you would think that even with minimal resources, one could pump out superior graphics.

Coding for the Cell isn't easy. It's a fact that as of now the 360 is easier for developers to program on (Although Sony just released a new development kit at GDC).

And lack of games/features. And bad PR.

I actually think lack of games is the biggest thing going against them at this point, it's the reason i don't have one right now. The price would be understandable if there were good games on it.

Sony PR has been going up lately, it's still a problem, but not as much as before.

And when you say 'quality' you mean 'graphics'... not quality of the games themselves, right?

When you look back at the PS2, it was responsible for some of the most creative games out there. Games like Little Big Planet make me feel like this trend will likely continue, and as a bonus, better graphics. The Wii may have more creative hardware, but i have yet to see any creative games for it (I am not saying this will not change in the future, Super Mario Galaxy looks very creative).

[exo]

Originally Posted by Akshay

That is because it is a port. Ports rarely look better than the original system they are on (an exception would be something like Metal Gear Acid, but that is because Konami spent more time and money developing it) and EA was too lazy to do improve on it (although in there defense, it wouldn't have been cost effective, considering it was a PS3 launch title)

The point was that a 360 game looked better than a PS3 game despite the supposed better hardware that the PS3 has.

Coding for the Cell isn't easy. It's a fact that as of now the 360 is easier for developers to program on (Although Sony just released a new development kit at GDC).

And it's hard to say whether or not the learning curve of the Cell processor will be able to be overcome in a timely manner. Timely enough to where the PS3's 'vast potential' is reached. I was speaking more to the hyperbole that Gavin was originally using than whether or not he is technically right (which he is).

I actually think lack of games is the biggest thing going against them at this point, it's the reason i don't have one right now. The price would be understandable if there were good games on it.

PR is huge when it comes to video games. People want the 'coolest' system. It's lame, but people do. Whatever is viewed as 'cool' and 'the thing to get' is what people want.

Sony PR has been going up lately, it's still a problem, but not as much as before.

The GDC conference is the first time where Sony has the 'buzz' going their way in a long, long time.

When you look back at the PS2, it was responsible for some of the most creative games out there. Games like Little Big Planet make me feel like this trend will likely continue, and as a bonus, better graphics. The Wii may have more creative hardware, but i have yet to see any creative games for it (I am not saying this will not change in the future, Super Mario Galaxy looks very creative).

Gavin seemed to be equating quality with graphics, and in some respects I agree... the system can't have horrendous graphics. But as he alluded to in his post, quality is much more than graphics.

And I disagree with your comment regarding the Wii. The controls ARE the creative thing about the Wii which is why Wii Sports has picked up awards. Yeah, it's just tennis, boxing, etc., but how you play the game is just as important as what you are playing.

Even putting Wii Sports aside, though, there are definitely creative games that have already come to the Wii:

Trauma Center (predicts a 'just a port of a DS game' comment)
Elebits (predicts a 'a mediocre game' comment)
Wario Ware: Smooth Moves (predicts a 'just a collection of mini games' comment)

To speak to the original topic... LBW looks awesome. The only thing I didn't like was that it seemed like you had to make all the levels yourself. While I would like to create some levels possibly, some sort of collection of levels to go through would be cool. I wonder if they could to a randomly generated level thing... that would be awesomesauce.

EDIT: Oh, and I really, really liked the music in LBW. I would buy the soundtrack.

[Lightknight]

No, a port is not a necessarily a good example.

[smhatahy]

The GDC conference is the first time where Sony has the 'buzz' going their way in a long, long time.

They just settled with immersion, so rumble should be on its way back (or perhaps a new version of rumble that immersion has been developing, it sounds amazing... but that's just hopeful wishing)

Removing Ken Kutaragi also helped w/ their PR

And recent interviews with Phil Harrison have been very good, he is much more capable that Kutaragi IMO. Much of the PS3's problems so far are probably a result of Kutaragi's mistakes.

Trauma Center (predicts a 'just a port of a DS game' comment)
Elebits (predicts a 'a mediocre game' comment)
Wario Ware: Smooth Moves (predicts a 'just a collection of mini games' comment)

Bingo on the Trauma Center and Wario Ware. I have yet to play Elebits so i don't know, the idea seems good though, to be honest i totally forgot about it.

To speak to the original topic... LBW looks awesome. The only thing I didn't like was that it seemed like you had to make all the levels yourself. While I would like to create some levels possibly, some sort of collection of levels to go through would be cool. I wonder if they could to a randomly generated level thing... that would be awesomesauce.

Download user created levels perhaps?