My male friend.. I NEED SOME MAJOR ADIVCE!

pretty_in_pink4 · 03-02-2007, 06:39 AM

Hello everyone,
I recently started seeing a guy who is very committed to his Presbyterian background I am very committed to my Lutheran church. What I am in a pickle about is, I dont understand his back ground. He was taught many things in church that I was never taught about. Such as: Speaking in tongue and being touch by the holy spirit. Please help me.. i need to better understand about his background... so any information about this would be highly appreciated!
-thanks-

bobthecockroach · 03-02-2007, 07:50 AM

The best source for this information is him. Also realize that many people disagree about speaking in tongues.

Nate · 03-02-2007, 08:31 AM

Presbyterians believe in speaking in tongues (in the modern world)?

Are you absolutely sure you mean Presbyterian and not Pentecostal?

Lutherans and Presbyterians, at least historically, have more in common than most denominations (they both have strong, strong ties to the theology of the protestant reformation). I don't know much about the present state of either denomination, but Luther and Calvin (the "father" of the Presbyterian church) had more in common than they had in disagreement.

JaytheK · 03-02-2007, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by pretty_in_pink4

Hello everyone,
I recently started seeing a guy who is very committed to his Presbyterian background I am very committed to my Lutheran church. What I am in a pickle about is, I dont understand his back ground. He was taught many things in church that I was never taught about. Such as: Speaking in tongue and being touch by the holy spirit. Please help me.. i need to better understand about his background... so any information about this would be highly appreciated!
-thanks-

I am 99% sure that you mean Pentecostal, not Presbyterian. As far as advice...bobthecockroach is right. Ask him why he believes what he believes. Hopefully he'll have Biblical reasons for believing what he believes.

**H.M. Murdock** · 03-02-2007, 09:56 AM

Presbyterians aren't cessationists, kids. Yes, we believe in tongues. But we also believe in having interpretors. So even when a person is moved to do so, they usually don't have an interpretor, so they know to keep silent. *wink*

Try attending his church and talking to him about it. I'm sure he'd be more than willing to share. If you're going out with him, talking about his beliefs with him should be something you can do without fear (most of the time).

**Rainer.** · 03-03-2007, 11:43 AM

Best way to learn about another denomination is chill out with people from that denomination and ask questions. Then drag him to your church.

gg7 · 03-03-2007, 10:19 PM

First, I think you need to figure out what you believe about these things.

Read 1 Corinthians chapters 12 and 14.
I think they clearly say it all when it comes to spiritual gifts, such as speaking in tongues.

Maybe it would be a good idea for you to take a step back with this guy until you figure out just how much or how little your beliefs may differ.
This could end up becoming quite a problem (within a romantic relationship) if they do differ a lot.

pretty_in_pink4 · 03-14-2007, 05:09 PM

thank you all so much for all the comments you left me. I know alot about how i feel with religion and i read the bible alot. I know what i believe in versus what i dont. The only thing that confused me was the speaking in tongue.. ive never heard of that and i am still confused.

gg7 · 03-14-2007, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pretty_in_pink4

thank you all so much for all the comments you left me. I know alot about how i feel with religion and i read the bible alot. I know what i believe in versus what i dont. The only thing that confused me was the speaking in tongue.. ive never heard of that and i am still confused.

This might be moving a bit from advice to theology, but I'll tell you how I see those scriptures I mentioned to you. To me, it's clear as day that the scripture is saying that speaking in tongues is considered a spiritual gift. However, it also says that only one person should speak at a time and only when an interpreter is present. Otherwise, It would just be madness.

Personally, I've never seen/heard it happen. I do know of a church here that it does happen at though...except multiple people do it at once with no interpreter apparently. That is not biblical. Period.

You really have to study the scriptures, pray about it, and make sure you know what you believe about it.

Indo_Dave · 03-23-2007, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by gg7

Personally, I've never seen/heard it happen. I do know of a church here that it does happen at though...except multiple people do it at once with no interpreter apparently. That is not biblical. Period.

Careful punk, i come from that church. And where is your evidence that it is not biblical?

Those are your own views, what necessarily makes them right?

k_dehm · 03-23-2007, 10:12 AM

hey guys,
just a reminder: we are one in the Spirit... how did the first followers of Christ solve their different views?

Nate · 03-23-2007, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Indo_Dave

Careful punk, i come from that church. And where is your evidence that it is not biblical?

Those are your own views, what necessarily makes them right?

Here you go, "punk"... evidence that multiple people speaking in tongues all at once with no interpreter is not Biblical:

1 Corinthians 14:27-28

If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret. But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God.

It's pretty cut and dry, so ask yourself, do you feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?

Nate · 03-23-2007, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by k_dehm

hey guys,
just a reminder: we are one in the Spirit... how did the first followers of Christ solve their different views?

They formed separate churches, as best we can tell.

Big_al · 03-23-2007, 10:40 AM

1 Corinthians 14:23-25(NIV)
23So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and some who do not understand[g] or some unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind? 24But if an unbeliever or someone who does not understand[h]comes in while everybody is prophesying, he will be convinced by all that he is a sinner and will be judged by all, 25and the secrets of his heart will be laid bare. So he will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, "God is really among you!"

I have always thought that there wre two different kinds of tongues, tongues as a personal prayer language and the prophetic manifestation of the holy spirit that needs interpretation.

Nate · 03-23-2007, 10:42 AM

There seems to be nowhere in Scripture that indicates that prophecy is linked to speaking in tongues. In fact, that passage you just quoted seems to say otherwise, because it says that if we all spoke in tongues, no one would understand us, but if we just prophesied, people would be convicted.

This isn't Theology, though.