Kutless is the BEST Does everybody agree??

**nbfan** · 02-02-2007, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by relient nelson

They lack originality of any kind. They sound the same as everyone. There lyrics are unimaginative. And now they decide they're supposed to play slow songs. Goody.

Pretty much it right there. I can think of many bands worse than them. But they aren't very creative with what they do.

guitarwannabe16 · 02-02-2007, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by benj

Worst band ever might be a stretch

maybe, but this thread is titled "Kutless is the BEST", which i think is a much farther stretch.

And to the people who make such a statement as their the best and then complain about them getting bashed, you better have a REALLY good reason to back that kind of a statement. I have yet to see one.

**Sean** · 02-02-2007, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenacen

Why's it every time someone mentions Kutless, there's a natural inclination to bash them?

Popular bands who aren't known for their originality (no one can argue that they are doing something new and original) tend to be "bashed" by people. People like to pick on popular bands.

Kutless has brought a great deal of "bashing" on themselves because several of their songs ARE extremely derivative of other songs.

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Is that the way Christians are really supposed to act?

If we simply fall into being rude and insulting, certainly not. However, we're also called to excellence. Part of excellence is improvement. You have to be able to critique things to improve them. We aren't supposed to be a bunch of mind numbed zombies walking around blindly supporting everything with the label "Christian" attached to it.

**Sean** · 02-02-2007, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenacen

But it's gone farther than just a simple No-I-don't-like-Kutless-that-much... again. Thus far they've been accused of being the worst band out there, being uncreative, and have been compared to Creed again, stereotypes that have just been beaten to death on these boards.

Stereotypes? A stereotype would be if someone said ALL Christian rock sucks and lacks originality. Saying that "Tonite" sounds very similiar to Creed's "What If" is making a valid argument and supporting the claim that they are uncreative.

Certain outregous claims like "KUTLESS IS THE WORST BAND EVER!!!!" aren't very helpful. Kutless are proficient musicians who are talented at writing and performing a specific genre of music. Their talent is not in creating something fresh and brand new.

Jenacen · 02-02-2007, 08:29 PM

Just inserting my opinion on the band anyways, I think they're good. The lyrics aren't the best I've ever heard, but they have elements in their songs that are ear-catching, and I absolutely love the "Strong Tower" album. Outstanding. Just listening to the previews on iTunes, I had to buy it.

**Sean** · 02-03-2007, 01:04 AM

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they sing what is in their hearts and they write in their unique style.

Well, our point is that Kutless ISN'T writing in their own unique voice. They're writing in someone elses voice.

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Do you think any band would write and play music that people don't want to listen to?

Every band/artist writes music that people don't want to listen to. There isn't an artist on the planet that has managed to impress all 6.5 billion people on the earth.

Hopeful · 02-03-2007, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean

I'm not sure that having a critical spirit is inherently a bad thing.

I'm not sure that matters. When you release music publicly you open yourself up to criticism. It's part of the game. Criticism isn't whats wrong. The problem is when someone is rude.

A critical spirit is effective when it is used sparingly, with good intent and offered in love. A critical person is not pleasant to be around at all. I would rather hope to be known as a positive, encouraging person than a critical one. Like I said earlier, I asked my wife about what was happening here. What she saw was the rudeness that you say is a problem, and she was being honest. Jenacen was pointing out a problem here and I think he was right. I just think it happens too much and sometimes I think I'm back at Harmony Central. We should not be like that place.

As far as being unique and singing in your own voice, I do see them as unique. Do you think they really try to sound like someone else? Who might that be?

Anyway, there is nothing wrong with songs written in similar patterns or styles. How many songs are written in the I-IV-V or I-vi-IV-V pattern? Or, how many songs have been played around the minor or major pentatonic scales? In reality, tons of songs follow these patterns, and while they are unique, are they criticized for following the patterns? At the extreme, I am of the opinion that if someone only did covers of songs, that if they did them well and were enjoyable, they have done a good job. As a musician who has written very little original music, this is what I try to achieve every time I play out. Should I be criticized because of this? Are only original artists worth listening to and everyone else is a hack?

Hopeful · 02-03-2007, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by AXguitar

Yes. Creed, who in turn tries to sound like Pearl Jam.

You think so? When I hear songs like "Sea of Faces" or "Strong Tower" I really don't hear Creed. But, do you honestly think that he is trying to mimic Creed (i.e., they got together and said let's sound like Creed so we can sell a ton of records)?

Here's another point though (and I'm not suggesting that this is the reason specific to Kutless). The record companies have a huge say in who gets recorded and distributed. If they felt that the record buying public will favor a certain artist, vocal or musical style, those are the ones who get signed. So, it may just be a coincidence that the style is in vogue, rather than the artist trying to mimic someone else.

**Sean** · 02-03-2007, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by AXguitar

Yes. Creed, who in turn tries to sound like Pearl Jam.

I've been hearing that for the last 10 years and it sounds just as absurd today as it did 10 years ago. The bands Creed and Pearl Jam sound very little alike. I don't know of any two songs from them that are comparable. The singers Scott Stapp and Eddie Vedder DO sound similiar (of course every barritone rock star int he past 15 years has been compared to Eddie Vedder). Its not fair or reasonable to claim that Creed was trying to sound like Pearl Jam simply because Scott Stapp has a barritone voice. Once you get past Stapp's God given voice, the two bands don't sound alike.

Ax · 02-03-2007, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Hopeful

You think so? When I hear songs like "Sea of Faces" or "Strong Tower" I really don't hear Creed. But, do you honestly think that he is trying to mimic Creed (i.e., they got together and said let's sound like Creed so we can sell a ton of records)?

Here's another point though (and I'm not suggesting that this is the reason specific to Kutless). The record companies have a huge say in who gets recorded and distributed. If they felt that the record buying public will favor a certain artist, vocal or musical style, those are the ones who get signed. So, it may just be a coincidence that the style is in vogue, rather than the artist trying to mimic someone else.

They might have. And here's another point. You pointed out two songs. I'm gonna point out their entire first album. And the songs Not What you See, Treason, and Let you In off their second album. All those songs sound like Creed clones. The two songs you just pointed (well Sea of Faces anyways) prove that they CAN sound different, but decide not to.

Strong Tower sounds just like My Sacrifice.

ieatdirt · 02-03-2007, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by AXguitar

They might have. And here's another point. You pointed out two songs. I'm gonna point out their entire first album. And the songs Not What you See, Treason, and Let you In off their second album. All those songs sound like Creed clones. The two songs you just pointed (well Sea of Faces anyways) prove that they CAN sound different, but decide not to.

Strong Tower sounds just like My Sacrifice.

I only listened to about 30 seconds of it, but besides it being the same genre as Kutless, it didn't really sound like it.

Inked in Blood · 02-03-2007, 02:01 PM

I went through and deleted everything off topic.If you would like to discuss the way Christians are critical or tend to bash bands then take it to Christian Music.Try and keep this on topic please.

Ax · 02-03-2007, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ieatdirt

I only listened to about 30 seconds of it, but besides it being the same genre as Kutless, it didn't really sound like it.

Gotta listen to the choruses.

fiveminuteplan · 02-03-2007, 06:28 PM

Yeah...I don't see the comparison of Creed with Pearl Jam either. My Own Prison kind of reminded me of Pearl Jam in the verses, but Creed is much more metallic.

As far as Kutless goes, I watched them play a little at Cornerstone Florida last year. I was unimpressed. They're not that bad, but they're not that good either and I'm picky. They kind of remind me of Nickelback.

And yeah, Treason is a direct rip off of Lakini's Juice, which isn't cool.

ieatdirt · 02-03-2007, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AXguitar

Gotta listen to the choruses.

I had a slightly lengthy reply typed, but I accidentally refreshed the page, so I'm not gonig to retype the whole. I agree that it sounds slightly similar, but I didn't really see a huge similarity.