It's time to play...

Hopeful · 08-21-2006, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Griffon

I don't have anything against multis, or even solid state, but I say there is still a noticable difference between a modeled tube amp and the real thing... Digital amps/effects will really be worth something when they are used to their full potential, intead of just emulation. Guitar Rig 2 is a step towards that. The POD is ok...but it's kinda like....this is cool....sort of...

OK...I still don't really write very coherent posts...

That's okay, my kids don't understand me much either.

You made me think about something though. I think the real value of having a pedal like this (or a Digitech or Boss GT-8) is having to cover a wide variety of songs. If you have listened to ApologetiX and their array of parodies of every type, you'll need something to cover all - I mean they cover hundreds of songs and a live set can be 18 to 20 songs. You either have to have many amps or guitars to do it right.

Griffon · 08-21-2006, 09:53 PM

That's probably why it seems to be so popular in worship bands these days as well.

**Rainer.** · 08-22-2006, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Griffon

Right, the sounds are close enough that, when recorded, the POD doesn't scream "I'm a digital model". That's great IMO. What bitrate was the clip recorded at.

It was recorded at hi-fi quality, but was mp3 compressed to 128k. I can post an even higher quality one if ya want.

presbystrat · 08-22-2006, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainer.

Well, then your audience wouldn't be able to tell the difference, and isn't that's what really matters?

I find that digitally modelled amps seem to have different pick attack responses simply because you can play them a lot quieter.

When I made a side by side comparison between my digitech RP100 and SS amp without modeling, I noticed a significant difference in response to pick attack. They were both played at about the same volume. I found I could be more expressive with a non-modeling amp. The audience would not notice the difference in the tone but they might notice a difference in my expressiveness. When I played the Spider 30 in the store I noticed even more disconnect between my attack on the strings and the sound coming out of the amp. If the Podxt live uses the same processor (I haven't been able to determine this because they don't seem to publish the a/d/a conversion bit size or the speed of the processor), then I wouldn't expect any better performance. I'm not anti-modeling BTW; I still use my digitech quite a bit because of its versatility and uniformity. I think the pick attack thing is one of the downsides. I would think this would be more of an issue with someone that plays lead more than I do.

Hopeful · 08-23-2006, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by presbystrat

When I made a side by side comparison between my digitech RP100 and SS amp without modeling, I noticed a significant difference in response to pick attack. They were both played at about the same volume. I found I could be more expressive with a non-modeling amp. The audience would not notice the difference in the tone but they might notice a difference in my expressiveness. When I played the Spider 30 in the store I noticed even more disconnect between my attack on the strings and the sound coming out of the amp. If the Podxt live uses the same processor (I haven't been able to determine this because they don't seem to publish the a/d/a conversion bit size or the speed of the processor), then I wouldn't expect any better performance. I'm not anti-modeling BTW; I still use my digitech quite a bit because of its versatility and uniformity. I think the pick attack thing is one of the downsides. I would think this would be more of an issue with someone that plays lead more than I do.

In reading your comments on pick attack, I couldn't help but wonder what you were experiencing. It seems to me that the lack of response that you're talking about may be the result of a high or moderately high noise gate setting, which they tend to do on the pre-sets. Initially, I noticed that effect on my Digitech, but once I turned the noise gate setting down, I had better results. I do leads all the time and I don't have a problem with the pick attack phenomenon you're describing.

**Rainer.** · 08-24-2006, 09:56 PM

I just wanted somewhere to post this of my Paul into the AC-30 patch of the PODXT. This was recorded direct from POD to compy via USB (both electrics). There's also my Peavey Grind 5 Bass, and Seagull 12-string on this...

presbystrat · 08-25-2006, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Hopeful

In reading your comments on pick attack, I couldn't help but wonder what you were experiencing. It seems to me that the lack of response that you're talking about may be the result of a high or moderately high noise gate setting, which they tend to do on the pre-sets. Initially, I noticed that effect on my Digitech, but once I turned the noise gate setting down, I had better results. I do leads all the time and I don't have a problem with the pick attack phenomenon you're describing.

I noticed it more on the Spider 30 in the store and I was using a preset patch so it could have been the noise gate. I didn't experience the problem exactly the same with my RP100; there is no noticable delay in the sound. I didn't notice the difference until I had the chance to do some extensive playing on a 80's pre-COSM Roland Cube which I owned for a few weeks. I noticed that I could be more dynamically expressive with the conventional amp over the digital modeling. I sold the Roland and have gone back to playing with the RP-100 because it is simply more versatile and consistent. I also don't do a lot of lead stuff either. I haven't tried the
GNX3000 so I don't know how it would compare.

Griffon · 08-25-2006, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainer.

I just wanted somewhere to post this of my Paul into the AC-30 patch of the PODXT. This was recorded direct from POD to compy via USB (both electrics). There's also my Peavey Grind 5 Bass, and Seagull 12-string on this...

Nice harp playing. I'll give it a better listen tonight with my headphones. Sounds a little bit fizzly on the high end, but I haven't played an AC-30 cranked, so I don't know if that's just how it breaks up.

nate95366 · 08-25-2006, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Hopeful

In reading your comments on pick attack, I couldn't help but wonder what you were experiencing. It seems to me that the lack of response that you're talking about may be the result of a high or moderately high noise gate setting, which they tend to do on the pre-sets. Initially, I noticed that effect on my Digitech, but once I turned the noise gate setting down, I had better results. I do leads all the time and I don't have a problem with the pick attack phenomenon you're describing.

I've got a Digitech RP-1 (yes, the original...from 1991), and it will kill your expressiveness (especially pick attack) with the noise gate unless you turn that feature off, so this explaination certainly seems reasonable to me.

Nate

Ax · 08-25-2006, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainer.

I just wanted somewhere to post this of my Paul into the AC-30 patch of the PODXT. This was recorded direct from POD to compy via USB (both electrics). There's also my Peavey Grind 5 Bass, and Seagull 12-string on this...

is that supposed to be Vox AC-30 or Orange? if it's supposed to be Orange it kinda sounds off, i wanna hear an Orange, a rockerverb if you got one, with some hardcore OD... now that's the real test for this thing...

**thesteve** · 08-25-2006, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by AXguitar

is that supposed to be Vox AC-30 or Orange? if it's supposed to be Orange it kinda sounds off, i wanna hear an Orange, a rockerverb if you got one, with some hardcore OD... now that's the real test for this thing...

Why would a POD setting called "AC-30" be an Orange?

Griffon · 08-25-2006, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by thesteve

Why would a POD setting called "AC-30" be an Orange?

I think he's thinking AD-30.

**Rainer.** · 08-25-2006, 10:38 AM

It's the Vox patch, it's called "Class A-30 TB", modeled after a '67 Vox AC-30 with a Top Boost.

Plus I reccomend everyone to listen on nice speakers.

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Nice harp playing.

Gracias.

The Orange patch on the PODXT is modeled after an AD-30, I believe.

Ax · 08-25-2006, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Griffon

I think he's thinking AD-30.

i think your're right..

Griffon · 08-25-2006, 08:13 PM

I listened to it with my head phones. Sounds really good, something is weird in the attack though, should be a bit more pingy I think. Maybe it's too much compression.