What is the most theologically sound band in Christian music today???

Jay Tea · 02-25-2002, 11:34 AM

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Originally posted by king
To add to "dakoda's ignorance?" That is absolutely unacceptable.

Why does ignorance imply an insult? It's really a statement of fact. I suspect we are all ignorant in more areas than we are knowledgable.

dakota · 02-25-2002, 11:43 AM

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Originally posted by Luke
dakota said:

Since you obviously don't know much about the concept of the prayer of Jabez, and haven't taken the time to analyze it, how can you make such wild accusations?

Luke says:

Since dakota obviously thinks I haven't taken time to analyze the book (anyone who disagrees with the book is obviously ignorant of it), I will post the rebuttal I wrote (17-18 pages) nine months ago. I have since read the book again as well as several other books on the subject, and intend to add about 10 more pages to this. Eventually...

If Jabez' prayer was theologically unsound, why did God grant him what he requested?

Secondly, Hallowed be thy name is not a comparison to bless me indeed. Give us our daily bread is. I could go on with mis comparisons of the two prayers, but why bother. Your mind is made up. But the Lord did grant Jabez what he requested. Comparing a book someone wrote about the prayer of Jabez, is not the same as comparing the actual prayer of Jabez to the Lord's prayer.

What is wrong with the whole thing is how capitalistic Christian music has become. On that we can agree, because without the overwhelming commercial success of the book, the CD would not have been made. Personally I don't much care for "Secrets of the Vine", but that doesn't belong in this thread.

Travis · 02-25-2002, 12:00 PM

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Originally posted by Jay Tea

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To add to "dakoda's ignorance?" That is absolutely unacceptable.

Why does ignorance imply an insult? It's really a statement of fact. I suspect we are all ignorant in more areas than we are knowledgable.

Exactly. Ignorance just means that someone is unaware of something. There are many things that are worse than being ignorant, because ignorance is cured with knowledge.

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Originally posted by Luke
I would have said that face to face. Ask someone who knows me.

I have met him in person and will vouch for the fact that he is quite the same as he is on the internet.

Luke · 02-25-2002, 12:54 PM

The point to be made in either case is that Jabez's prayer is anthrocentric and Christ's was theocentric. To say they are similar, therefore, is an absurdity. And equating "bless me indeed" and "daily bread" is an equally absurd statement, they are barely even similar.

And as to why God granted His request, remember that Jabez was more honorable than those around him. And no, I don't accept Wilkinson pseudo-exegesis that says that he was more honorable because of his prayer (American Christianity seems to like to take past events and force them into the future and this is no exception)--more honorable is presented first, and that is a much more likely reason why Jabez's prayer was answered, as well as a lot more in keeping with Biblical teaching about prayer (ex. James 4:2-3--note that Wilkinson quotes 4:2 alone out of context).

king · 02-25-2002, 01:14 PM

Ignorance? Insult? Have you ever met God? There are some things you can accept and learn, or there are things you can defend for the sake of preservation.

A> You would not say to George Bush (to his face) "You are ignorant."

B> You would not say to Billy Graham(to his face) "You are ignorant."

C> You would not say to John Calvin(to his face) "You are ignorant."

D> You would not say to ME(to MY face) "You are ignorant."

Just because you don't consider it an insult does NOT mean that it's appropriate...

"Hahah.. hey, look at you... cripple woman! You aint got no legs"

Say that to my aunt. It's just a statement of fact.

Luke · 02-25-2002, 01:19 PM

None of the above accused me of: "Since you obviously don't know much about the concept of the prayer of Jabez, and haven't taken the time to analyze it, how can you make such wild accusations?". That entire tyrade was a blatant falsehood. His reply was fully appropriate and deserved. And yes, again, I would have said it to his face.

I don't have a problem with being rebuked. You mentioned something to me in a PM last week, and I felt that you were correct and changed it. In this case, however, I believe that I acted in an appropriate manner and stand by it.

froggee501 · 02-25-2002, 01:25 PM

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Originally posted by KeyboardFreak

I agree.... and I can give an example.

Linkin Park - "In The End"

"I tried so hard and got so far,
But in the end it doesn't even matter;
I had to fall to lose it all,
But in the end it doesn't even matter.

I put my trust in You, pushed as far as I can go..."

So close to how it is in the Christian life. It doesn't matter HOW hard you try... nothing matters EXCEPT for trust in God. Of course, I doubt that Linkin Park was referring to God in any way... but can y'all see what I'm talking about?

Um, like 3 out of the 5 members are Christians, i think......

hold on, just got the cd and it's booklet out......

okay, it says "Chester thanks: God. (more writing)" and "Joe thanks: I would like to thank God for blessing me with talents and opportunities to use those talents (more writing)"

Because of that, I'm guessing that at least two of the members of some belief in God, and so that song could be partly about God.

king · 02-25-2002, 01:27 PM

I don't mean to offend you Luke. I'm only offering that there could be a "more excellent way." Perhaps he was wrong in how he responded to you... As far as the others who posted on here referring to insult not = to ignorance... Look at your track record for keeping peace on these forums and in real life before being so quick to defend a stance. I truly love you guys.. I will never say anything to you that will stray you from being like Christ. Of course, you have no reason to believe that... I just LONG to see more sensitivity especially among brothers.

Peace to you Luke. (and I did catch the PM thing.)

Tom

OliveShoot90 · 02-25-2002, 01:54 PM

kingy, can you defend me in the womens debate? truthwarrior is all over the place!

Dr. Doom · 02-25-2002, 03:02 PM

what is the topic of this thread now? has it turned into the Prayer of Jabez thread? or the "hey stop insulting/i am not insulting" thread? I thought we were talking about bands...

Enobmurt · 02-25-2002, 03:11 PM

I still say Audio Adrenaline is theologically sound :kshock:

nate95366 · 02-25-2002, 03:21 PM

originally posted by Euchre0:

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what is the topic of this thread now? has it turned into the Prayer of Jabez thread? or the "hey stop insulting/i am not insulting" thread? I thought we were talking about bands...

The crazy thing that connects the bands to the Prayer of Jabez is that several bands actually wrote/recorded songs for a project that was a follow-up to the huge economic success of the book.

The crazy thing that connects all that to the "hey stop insulting/i am not insulting" seems to be a general lack of tact + assumptions (and you know what they do.... :klol: )

Nate

dakota · 02-25-2002, 03:34 PM

You're right, we got off track. Sorry. Luke and I are very passionate about our beliefs.

Third Day gets my vote today. 15 Years ago-Petra

Dr. Doom · 02-25-2002, 05:46 PM

no worries.

i enjoy watching the progression of a debate.

Dr. Doom · 02-25-2002, 05:50 PM

oh, by the way, i think King get's the prize for coolest avatar. Cool stuff!